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Well, I wasn’t on here at the time. But pregame, I was adamant that his quick release would beat The Chargers D Line. 100% And I thought the picks were a fluke and was initially disappointed we rolled TT back out because I still thought NP was more talented, better QB. Has as he made strides? Yerp. Does his throwing capability open up different offensive demensions the defense then has to worry about... Argueably nerp. Does Josh’s? I would argue the defense is 70% more trepidous. Jimmy and the Shanahanigans? I like them more than Sammy and the Jets

No not at all.

I’m not happy about it. But we would be having a much worse night if he had 2 fumbles and a pick. We were eventually going to have to see a game like this. Slaughter. He handled himself well I feel.

No no. Nate has improved. His arm strength has improved. But again. He will not be able to hurt defenses that are game planning against him because he only has 30% of the field to work with initially. I have no problem starting Nate. I have a problem keeping a guy with equal overall present ability (strengths and weaknesses considered), as well as a higher upside—and proven ability for rapid development— behind a guy who can only throw to 30% of the field even with his improved arm talent that is still sub par. I like Nate. I really do. But I still believe the overall offensive deversification that JA brings with his ability makes him the better choice to put on the field. More for defense to worry about... I WILL SAY —none of that matters with no time in the pocket.—but if we have to go quick game I still believe JA = NP as far as ability to run quick shot offense.

No I meant habadashary. Because it gets the point across. +1 for you though. 99% of people just go with it. Balderdash is good though as well.

No Nate was always cerebral

Yeah im sorry this is habadashary. Nate looked just like this last preseason.

Wasnt the same scheme. That’s the point. Don’t get me wrong. Nate has made throws this year I didn’t know he had in him. He also has made about 3-4+ throws that should’ve been pick 6s. In a span of about what 4q of football? Daboll does not have Nate sitting on downfield developing routes. Hence the quick release. One of Allen’s sacks tonight he had a 5 yard out wide open. But it seemed he wanted to wait an extra second to see if he could hit KB I believe on the seam/post. These are easy corrections to fix.

I agree with this 100%. I’m not saying that Nate has not made great strides. But competent gets field goals. I want red zone touchdowns gosh darn it!! I wanted to see him get &@$@ed up and not turn the ball over or find himself immediately evacuating the pocket and not trusting his line.

Daboll has an offense he runs with NP—no matter what string—it’s the same offense he’s run with the twos the last two weeks—same one he ran week 1 with the 1s. Nowhere near the intermediate and deep concepts he tried to hit with Mccaron week 2 and Josh this week. (Also did it week 1 with JA). Its a valid arguement based off last week, Josh Allen can be extremely quick, decisive, and effective running the same quick concepts Daboll is FORCED to deploy with Nate.

Daboll ran the same offense for NP in each game. Yes, he made some good throws. But overall it’s little high % throws and his TDs haven’t really been red zone TD’s. Nate Peterman = Redzone FGs = statistical domination and 4 point leads at half. JA = red zone rifle potential. I’ll take 1 TD over 2 field goals all day

We could’ve seen an INT, FUM filled meltdown. This we just made it out thankful he was alive. But in a game where nothing can be credited/criticized...nothing has been done to say NP should start if he’s still the 2nd best option at the position.

And probably two fumbles tbh. Thank God for Elite NFL hand size of JA. Your post also made me think. Who do we want at QB in the red zone. Inside the 20. Let’s Pretend the bills get an interception, and after two quick “gimme” throws each WB can make by design, we find ourself inside the opposing 20. This is where the buffal bills have been lacking for most the history I can remember. In this crucial part on the field, you cannot settle for FG’s. Call me crazy but at least in my head, you take JA over others 10/10 times. Tight window high octane throws are needed here.

THIS

Nate was a pretty big project coming out of Los Angles. Im not saying that Nate hasn’t earned the right to start by every statisticians calculations. But we all watched the kid make a fair amount of quick timely throws running the same 2nd offense late week. Which, really does seem to be designed for the 1-3 step grip and rip. He did that very very well last week if I do recall. I still believe, especially since they’re with the guy on a day to day basis, the entire Bills lockeroom, knows that Josh possesses too much talent and is “ready enough” to even sacrifice a single game to NP’s quick noodle. IMO of course

Allen showed today that Daboll is going to have to have him throwing a bunch of 5-7 yard routes and bubbles week 1....and he can go ahead and keep the out routes too since is not Nate.

I didn’t realize this thread was was from two weeks ago and thought somone was just HARD trolling.

Right, it’s a sense of pity vs not wanting to see him go

What about the quick release we saw basically an entire half last week with a whole different play calling scheme?

This is the fallacy

Right. It was like Daboll was playing with “what can an can’t we do with Josh” Week 1 we saw deep routes— ok Week 2 we saw JA running dink dunk NP plays.— Admiral to the point of 1st team reps Week 3 was almost in between. Plays that Josh would need to drop...step up maybe a step or two and rip. —Incapable due to 1st string O-line gap to competition. Call it ignorance. But I believe JA could’ve—and would have—made every read and throw Nate did in just as timely of a manner given the line + COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAY CALLS WHERE THE FIRST READ WAS A HIGH PROBABILITY 5-7 YARD THROW. (Maybe except for KB throw that’s just a NP:KB thing there) I truely think Daboll was putting Josh through his own little experiment...because...it’s... an exibhition game. But I do still feel the “We can’t start Josh because he’ll die” arguement does not fly in in a room full of millionaires who get paid to go sacrifice their bodies for the sake of my entertainment. The experience gap is too close to rationalize that to a locker room.

It just seems like Daboll was running a whole different offense in the 2nd half. He wants to unleash JA’s arm. Not something you can do with Nate. But he learned tonight he simply does not have the line to afford the time he needs for Josh’s arm plays to develop

How do you expect him to get the ball out faster when he’s waiting on 15-20 yard routes to develop?

This.

Would’ve been much worse if he was just chucking it up to avoid sacks.