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    The One, Big, Beautiful tax bill - that kills the poor and pays the rich

    in Politics, Polls, and Pundits

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    1 hour ago, Homelander said:

     

    Of course - able-bodied people should contribute if they can.

     

    But let’s be real: this conversation isn’t about encouraging work; it’s about punishing poverty and giving tax breaks to the rich who do not need it. If the goal was really to help people succeed, we’d invest in job training, childcare, and healthcare - not just slash benefits.

    So you don't think we're spending enough?

    The One, Big, Beautiful tax bill - that kills the poor and pays the rich

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    2 minutes ago, Homelander said:

     

    From the article - "actual information" you did not want to highlight

     

    The Senate version could add approximately $3.3–$4 trillion to the national debt over the next decade - $1 trillion more than the House plan.

    The House version alone is projected to increase deficits by $2.4 trillion.

     

    As much as $930 billion in Medicaid cuts over ten years; strict work requirements could slash eligibility for those with parents of older teens.

    SNAP (food stamp) changes: House version pushes high work mandates.

     

    CBO estimates: 11.8 million more uninsured by 2034 under the Senate plan.

    House bill alone could leave 10.9 million without health insurance.

     

    Extends 2017 Trump-era tax cuts, with special deductions for seniors, tips, and overtime but caps those benefits. 

    SALT deduction remains capped at $10,000 (Senate) vs. $40,000 (House), favoring higher earners in wealthier states.

     

    Senate bill includes a staggering $5 trillion debt-limit hike, significantly more than the House’s $4 trillion proposal.

     

     

     

    I'm curious what you and others here are most concerned with. Many highlight the growing deficits, and debt. And at the same time are being quite critical of the cuts in spending. Would you rather have greater debt and no cuts?

    The One, Big, Beautiful tax bill - that kills the poor and pays the rich

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    3 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

    try reading

    The legislation would result in 11.8 million Americans losing insurance by 2034, CBO found: nearly 1 million more people without insurance than the House version. That amount includes an estimated 1.4 million people without “verified citizenship, nationality, or satisfactory immigration status” who would lose their state-funded coverage.

     

    What's 10 mil =/- a couple hundred thou?

    you said "killing off your voter base"

    Orange Menace Signs One Big Beautiful Bill. LAW OF THE LAND. Cope and Seethe.

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    2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

    Sure hope there are no Republicans in nursing homes…

     

    If the bill passes, more than half of nursing homes would be forced to cut staff and a quarter of them would close

    ...wants the govt to control you, birth to grave!!!

    20 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

    Sure hope no GOPers use electricity since their bill is going to raise electricity costs across the board. 
     

    President Donald Trump and Republicans are itching to kill tax credits that lower the cost to build wind and solar, which are now largely cheaper than fossil fuels like natural gas and coal. More wind and solar on the electricity grid helps keep utility bills lower, and Biden-era tax credits were set to rapidly ramp up the amount of those cheaper, renewable projects being built.  When combined with the electric vehicle consumer tax credit likely being cut, annual electricity and transportation costs in every state in the continental United States will be higher than they would have if the tax credits stayed intact, analysis from think tank Energy Innovation found.

     

    Bad news for red states:

     

    ”Annual household energy costs could rise $845 per year in Oklahoma by 2035, and $777 per year in Texas. That’s because these states would be set to deploy a massive amount of wind and solar if Biden-era energy tax credits were left in place. If that goes away, states will have to lean on natural gas to generate power.”

     

    “Blue states that are deliberately putting more clean energy onto their grids would still see prices rise over the coming decade, albeit far less, Orvis said. They are more immune to price shocks because they won’t be as heavily reliant on gas and coal.”

     

    If the bill is bad for seniors in nursing homes, and bad for anyone who uses electricity (especially in some GOP states), it makes you wonder why they are so intent on passing this turd…

    ...wants the govt to control you, birth to grave

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    Adios! Deportation Scoreboard. Trump Announces ICE Raid EXPANSION

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    48 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

    You forgot:  3) finding a grey area that the judges, ICE and person can agree on.  That's where we were with the former green card veteran who has lived here since 7 years old, made some mistakes and got his life straightened back out.  Then our new administration's leadership changed the playing field

    Let's hope so, and I do hope they will.  I also hope ICE will narrow their focus to the immigrant criminals everyone would like to see removed instead of removing productive members of society just because they have an excuse to do so.  There can be humanity in administering the laws and I think most Americans would want to be in that space.

    Oh, the shades of grey defense. IMO that is " ignoring the law".

    Adios! Deportation Scoreboard. Trump Announces ICE Raid EXPANSION

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    11 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

    ??  There's no visa status since he moved to this country at 7 years old.  He was a former green card holder who made mistakes after his serving his country, served his time, lost his card in 2009 after crimes and a prison term, but was given deferred action status if he stayed clean and sober and checked in every year which he was doing for 14 years.  A family to look after, and by all accounts recently ICE simply decided to end his deferred status and gave him the option to self deport before they kicked him out.

     

    Gotta meet that Trump quota for kicking criminals out.  Traffic tickets, crimes no matter how long ago and even after fully prosecuted/resolved it doesn't matter.

     

    All ICE could do was cite his criminal past and ignore the fact that he's lived a clean life since then as they required him to do to maintain deferred status.  Worked a job, paid his taxes, raised a family.

     

    Who's ultimately responsible for the situation?  He is and he knows it.  He blames no one, but was shocked yet resigned that he must go back to Korea and probably not be allowed to come back and visit his family again.  Classy and an optimist who is grateful for the privileges he has enjoyed in his life here.

     

    But if you or anyone doesn't have the conscience to realize this is wrong and not what this country is about, that's on you.  This NPR article does a better job of quoting his story then the rest:

    https://www.npr.org/2025/06/24/g-s1-74036/trump-ice-self-deportation-army-veteran-hawaii?utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com

    Yeah, I stated it's a sad story. Or perhaps the better way of saying it is that it's unfortunate. And rather than arguing the differences between a green card and a visa, the point is that both come with requirements while in America. Thanks for acknowledging that he is the one responsible for meeting those requirements.

     

    Like so many issues, this one comes down to (1) changing the laws or (2) ignoring the laws.

    Adios! Deportation Scoreboard. Trump Announces ICE Raid EXPANSION

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    3 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

    https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2025/06/24/us-army-purple-heart-veteran-forced-self-deport-hawaii/

     

    After 48 years in the United States, decorated Army veteran Sae Joon Park left his life and family in Hawaii on Monday, not knowing when he’ll see them again....

     

    Park was honorably discharged and returned to his then-home in Los Angeles, where he suffered from severe PTSD. He turned to marijuana to cope with nightmares and sensitivity to loud noises and moved to Hawaii in 1995 for a better lifestyle. But he became addicted to crack cocaine and struggled for years to get clean.

    “Drugs had a big control throughout my life and that’s what eventually got me into trouble with the law and everything,” he said.

    In 2009, he was convicted for drug and bail offenses and served two and a half years in prison. When he was released, ICE agents detained him and revoked his green card.

    He fought deportation in court and as a Purple Heart veteran was allowed to stay in the U.S. under deferred action, as long as he checked in each year and stayed clean and sober.

     

    “These last 14 years have been great, like really proud of myself, proud of my kids, how I’ve been acting and how I’ve been living my life,” he said.

     

    But this month, officials ended his deferred action status and told him he had to leave the country or be detained and forcibly deported. He was given an ankle monitor and three weeks to handle his affairs. He and his family were in shock.

    “People were saying ‘You took two bullets for this country. Like you’re more American than most of the Americans living in America,’” he said.

     

    Way to go ICEholes.

    While a sad story, who is responsible for his visa status?

    Random Political Thoughts Inc.

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    58 minutes ago, Roundybout said:


    Why would criminal migrants with warrants be going through the regular process? 

    Until the agents responsible for this are rounded up and help accountable, I will forever oppose the mass deportation policy. It’s inhumane. 

    Because the line goes on forever and it's a very "safe" place to be for a very long time.

     

    I disagree with your opinion that deporting anyone that is in the USA illegally is inhumane.

    Random Political Thoughts Inc.

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    30 minutes ago, Roundybout said:


    A good policy would be to clearly identify the bad ones and take them away instead of abducting people waiting in line for their normal court hearings 

    Are you assuming there aren't any "bad" ones waiting in line?

     

    It seems pretty clear to me that the feds policy is to focus on the bad ones. If there are other illegals that have skipped their court hearing, are you good deporting them too?

    UPDATE: ISRAEL v IRAN - Ceasefire reached?

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    5 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

    For those choosing to not call a clear act of war “war,” what would you call it if any country attacked NYC tomorrow with dozens of massive bombs? F.uck Iran for sure (just so some dimwits don’t spin my first sentence as some insane support of them) but if the roles were reversed, you wouldn’t consider it war because….. reasons? 

    It's nuanced, right?

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    Tyreek Hill chirping about the Bills again

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    3 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

    This is real , my brother brought it up , he was at Fanatics fest 

    What a clown , I don't really have much else to say, hopefully someone lights him up in our first game, I'd gladly them take the 15 yards

    And if anything,  that's a smart strategy 

    This is gold! I love it.

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    What Does "Due Process" Mean?

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    On 5/19/2025 at 10:18 AM, The Frankish Reich said:

    Read the Fifth Amendment. Show me where it distinguishes between citizens and aliens.

    So, in your opinion our constitution applies to every person across the globe? It obviously applies to the citizens of our country.

     

    Tell me you understand that, please. Please tell me you comprehend that

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