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2 hours ago, thebandit27 said:
Allen has work to do, let me get that out of the way first.
Now I'll move on to this: Knox, like pretty much every other skill position player on this team, makes absolutely no aggressive attempt for the football on 100% of his targets. Our guys simply let DBs beat them to the ball...a LOT.
Knoc has let it happen multiple times, Brown does it at least once or twice per game. McKenzie too.
They just wait for the ball. Attack it. Make a play. Help your QB. It won't fix everything, but it'll certainly make a difference on 2-3 key plays per game.
If you become an expert at hitting the pause button, you can show a handful of "this guy is wide open" plays for every QB every game.
Of course, you won't know the route combination, progression, or player keys that tell the QB where he "should" go with the ball, so it's kind of silly to over analyze.
This is the most significant difference with our receivers. We don't have anyone that goes and gets the 50/50 balls.
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I'd love for no teams to show up. Doubt that happens, but...
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8 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:
It’s definitely a rarity in Buffalo. More talent would definitely be nice. Although, I do wonder if it’s coaching too since there are college receivers who won’t get drafted making those types of plays.
Seattle's TE, fight for the 50/50 ball and one handed catch last night, for example.
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23 hours ago, HeHateMe said:
This team still plays not to lose... Just look how scared we are every week at the end of halves.. it's disgusting.
I was thinking the other day that the offense plays not to lose for 3 quarters, then flips the switch and plays to win the 4th. The defense...just the exact opposite.
1 hour ago, Buffalo Junction said:^^^^^ This is actually my contention. This offense lacks an identity and there really isn’t anything one can point to and say “that’s what they do well.” In a way it’s intentional. Daboll wants to morph the gameplan week to week and exploit matchups and tendencies... Which is great when you have a QB that has the experience and ability to follow through and adapt on the fly. Allen isn’t that guy right now. He’s a 2nd year QB that’s still honing his mechanics and footwork while learning to read coverages and set protections. It seems as though Dabolls offense is a little too ambitious for Allen’s current developmental level right now. Particularly when there’s nothing else this offense can hang it’s hat on.
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's my bias, but in all of the other games I watch each weekend, most teams seem to have WRs and TEs that make their QB look really good; the pass is anywhere near them and they go and get it, and come down with remarkable catches. You can count those made by Bill's receivers this year on one hand.
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It's probably time to open up the offense
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32 minutes ago, Rocket94 said:
The Ravens really exposed the Pats. I am not as worried about them as I used to be. The Pats are just ripe for an early exit from the playoffs.
While I don't disagree, I will never bet against NE in the playoffs.
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Lot's of skill players named in this thread.
I think the game is won in the trenches. Our O line has to get us a couple of hundred yards rushing. Our D line has to hold the Browns to 150
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24 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
No we all got your point about that darned “prevent defense” DCs employ to allow the opposing team to retake a late lead.
Strangely, you left out the part where the chargers got the ball back on their own 25 with just over a minute and only needed to get in FG range . Instead Rivers went:
incompletion
incompletion
incompletion
incompletion (10 yard Defensive penalty:1st down)
incompletion
incompletion
incompletion
interception.
You “obviously missed” that.
It felt like Rivers and the LAC thought they needed a TD didn't it? You got one of the best FG kickers in the league, get the 35yds and go home.
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1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
I agreed with this. Seperation is key.
I hate to pimp up a Pat on this board, but Edelman holds clinics on most Sundays on how to create separation. I couldn't believe the separation he was getting in the SB last year. Early on in the SB, I was saying Edelman deserved MP if NE won the game. The routes and separation he was running and creating were amazing.
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3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
Definitely agree with this. If the WR doesn't have to adjust to the ball, that's ideal.
Josh has done this but just not consistently enough.
While I don't disagree, the separation a WR creates has a lot to do with ball placement. The less separation requires the ball to be placed where only the receiver can catch it which is at times not where you'd put it for maximum YAC.
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6 minutes ago, blacklabel said:
I don't get all the hype for the Chargers year after year. Yeah, they went 12-4 last year but most seasons they fall flat on their face right outta the gate and then slog their way to 9-7, 8-8, etc. I've seen a couple of their games this year and they have talent, sure, but they seem to make a lot of mistakes.
Southern CA is much like eastern NY in the media.
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3 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:
With a capable rushing attack and the rush defense woes, I can’t see Corey Liuget not dressing this week. And while it would blow this board up, I can’t see Oliver not dressing either. My guess is they will dress all five DTs.
Could Lawson go further into this regime’s dog house and not dress? Could Murphy go from making zero impact on the field to zero impact on the inactive list?Furthermore, with the inclement weather prediction will they dress three or four tight ends?
I have a feeling, they will only dress four WRs - Brown, Beasley, Duke, and Roberts. Also with a healthy Nsekhe and Ford, they might opt to sit a linemen to get Yeldon or Sweeney active.It appears we should bring a strong running gameplan, complimented by a short passing game with the strategy of decent YACs.
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4 hours ago, Billsflyer12 said:
I’m not a f*****g troll. I’m not CSU fan trolling Josh. I’m a WNY native, huge Bills fan, that has a different opinion as you. GMAFB.
FYI, I grew up in suburbs of Rochester, my family and I have been Bills fans my whole life. My 3 older children were born at Strong Hospital in Rochester. I was married in a church in Pittsford, as my wife is also a Rochester native.
Professionally I have moved around with my company. We left WNY in 2004, lived in Houston for 8 years. Then moved to Denver when my older kids were starting High School. We just moved back to WNY this summer with our 2 younger kids, our 3 older kids stayed in Colorado as 2 of them are at Colorado St, another at the University of Colorado. I’m not a CSU fan, just attended many games with my boys. I’m a CU fan where my daughter attends school.
I’m a passionate, lifelong Bills fan. I’ve watched every game, even having been away for 15 years. Yes, I hated the Allen pick, like I said before mostly because they gave up capital to get him. I hope Josh is the QB for us now that he is here.
I respect your Bill's passion. I guess I strongly disagree with an assumption that non P5 players are, by definition, lesser in value than are P5s. Lots of reasons that this isn't the case. Kids grow and mature at different rates. Allen was in the first round for both of his soph and junior years while at UW. The vast majority of pundits held an opinion different than yours. Whatcha think of that other MWC QB performance last night? Carr was money on that final drive.
Time will tell who gave up too much draft capital and who didn't. Today, all you and I have in that regard are our different opinions.
Curious...did you ever get to Laramie for a CSU/Wyo game? Laramie is the ideal college town.
Go Bills.
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1 hour ago, Billl said:
What is your deal? Are you really trying to pretend that it's disingenuous of me to compare stats from games he started? You got me, I guess. Congratulations. You've blown the lid off the grand conspiracy to make people think that a QB who was ranked 24th last year versus 31st this year hasn't improved in any material way. It couldn't be that I've simply got a different opinion.
Extra credit for sniffing out that poster who was clearly just a Colorado State plant sent to troll Bills fans. That's just quality message board detective work right there.
Having just joined the board yesterday one has to ask are you really a Bills fan? I await your answer.
3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:@SDS has suggested before that shadow-moderation is sometimes a problem on the board.
Please feel free to report anything you see as a problem, but otherwise, maybe leave moderation to the mods?
I don't care or desire to report anything. I appreciate the criticisms of Josh. It's what we do.
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Just now, TheFunPolice said:
I'd love to see the Raiders and Gruden become a good team
It's a fun team to see in the mix
Derek Carr is a good kid
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8 minutes ago, Warcodered said:
So you're saying his reasons are that Wyoming won the Bronze Boot every year Allen started.?
Well, in the Bronze Boot's 51 yr history, CSU has only lead the series 1 yr. So perhaps the rivalry isn't as big for us Wyo fans
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11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Just curious what you feel those reasons were?
@Billsflyer12 is a Colorado State fan that joined this board a couple of months after Josh was drafted. He's only hear to troll Bills fans about Josh.
14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:Still incorrect then
2018: 172.8 + 52.6 = 225.4
2019: 206.6 + 30.9 = 237.5
Oh, and if you're using total yards (rush and passing) why not use Total TDs (rush and passing)/game: 1.64 to 1.75.
Um, I don't think I said anything at all that remotely suggests that. I said:" Edit: it should also be noted those are total fumbles, not fumbles lost. Both matter, but lost matters more and 2 of them were snaps."
I think it's important to note both, and to be clear about what one is talking about. I ran into that myself when discussing Tyrod Taylor, who fumbled a lot. People chided me for discussing total fumbles, instead of fumbles lost. I think the point is to be clear.
Now that is a strange position to take. Because his performance has indeed changed. It can be seen in statistics (higher completion %) and by eye (better short/intermediate passing, better anticipation)
@Billl joined the board yesterday. He's trolling
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14 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:
I guess I’m not sure what your logic is.
1) There were reasons why Josh was at Wyoming and not a P5 school. Not recruited out of HS, and only 2 D1 offers out of JC Wyoming and Eastern Michigan.
2). Yes, I think if you put Watson or Mahomes on the exactly same Wyoming team they would have been better then Josh.
3). Big Ben played in the MAC, started almost every game all 3 years he was there without P5 talent, and was significantly better statistically. Joe Flacco at Delaware we’re he passed for almost 7000yds and 64% completion in his 24 starts there, not P5 talent around him.
4). Yes I think that elite talent at inferior schools should do be expected to do really well. Also remember, they may not have P5 talent on their team, but they aren’t playing P5 talent either.
I hope Josh is amazing. For or me Joe Flacco or Big Ben careers would be great result for Josh. Could have had 2 HOF level QBs and given up no draft capital for them. JMHO
Also, I have 2 boys in school at Colorado St, have seen tons of MWC football including Josh in person his last year. Also have 2 D1 football playing nephews.
A CSU fan. I get the JA hate now.
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1 hour ago, Billl said:
2018 stats:
237 yards per game, 10 TD passes, 12 INTs, 8 rushing TDs, 8 fumbles
2019 stats:
237 yards per have, 10 TD passes, 7 INTs, 4 rushing TDs, 10 fumbles.
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6 hours ago, Billsflyer12 said:
You mean like 2 other QBs we could have had?
Watson - 32 games, 683/1011 67.6 %. 63 TD/22 INT 8296 yds. 259 yds/game
Mahomes - 24 games, 562/856. 65.7%. 65 TD/14 INT. 7561 yds. 315 yds/game
Question was “Is Josh Allen improving as a passer”. Correct?
I just posted ALL of his stats from college and pros side by side. I guess anyone can slice specific games or specific few games. I just showed them all.
You didn't come close to showing "them all". On the one hand you say that Wyoming is so inferior to P5 schools and then you want to credit everything at Wyoming to one kid. You can't have it both ways man! How would have any of these P5 QBs performed at Wyo? How well would JA have preformed at one of these P5 schools? You can't ignore that context, along with all of the "better" talent around these P5 QBs. Your "them all" stats totally whif on this context. Please tell me you understand that.
6 hours ago, Billsflyer12 said:And yet he is basically the same QB we was in college after 20 games. Time will tell if he improves on that, history largely shows he won’t. I hope he does. I hated the pick, especially giving up 2 2nd picks to get him, but am really hoping he and Bills are super successful.
No he's not, and it's not even close.
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59 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:
No, not projects. Both Mahomes and Watson passed for well over 5,000 yds, 65% Completion. Both had at least 45 TDs and less then 18 INTs in their 1st 20 starts.
We'll need to disagree then. P5 is no where close to the NFL. Every draft pick is a project.
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12 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:
I don’t blame Josh at all and I like him. It’s not his fault for where he was drafted, what team drafts him and what type of coaches coach him.
I blame McBeane. They not only passed on 2 college college QBs from power 5 conferences that passed for over 10,000 yds and 65% completion %. They gave up 2 2nd round picks to get a mountain west QB that even his biggest supporters says was a project.
Has he improved, sure maybe some this season in some areas. I’m hoping he has similar path as Big Ben career wise. A big QB, out of small conference, who had slow 1st couple of seasons, that grows into a all pro, super bowl winning QB. There is time, and I’m hoping for his success.
Do you think the two QBs you mentioned from P5 conferences were/are projects? I think everyone here does with the possible exception of you???
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3 minutes ago, H2o said:
I don't think you need it to be a public poll my friend. It's pretty easy by the posts in this thread to count the "no's"
And a couple of those drops turned into INT's on the ricochet.
6%, or about 1/10th of JAs pass completion percentage believe he is not improving
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9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
He just had 3 tds against a defense that was undefeated and off to a record start.
Honest question: do you think our record would be different with Mayfield?
Let me answer your question this way...I think Cleveland would have more wins if Allen was their QB.
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Steelers Browns: who should get suspended and how long?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I think criminal assault charges are also appropriate.