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Sorry for starting another thread today, I don’t often start threads and don’t plan on doing so regularly, but I’d like some feedback on this topic to better form my own opinion. A lot of posters on here declare that Brandon Beane is an average drafter, which is fine, I think he’s slightly above average. I’m not really here to debate Beane. I’d like to get an understanding of what GMs people believe are elite drafters (Top 5ish), who’s above average (Top 10ish) and then who else is average? How do you measure the success of the draft? How many drafts does a GM need to run to be able to judge them? Do ESPN/3rd party sources rankings factor into your definition of a good draft? Examples are helpful. EDIT: I will follow up here with some of my current opinion. I don’t think anyone in the NFL is particularly an elite drafter. Pittsburgh would be the only organization that comes straight to my head. My point there is if there’s only 1 elite drafting GM/organization and the rest are “average” it doesn’t really work that way. Mathematically average is taking everyone’s performance into account.. everyone can’t be average... they’re compared to each other... Do folks see where I am going?

Yeah I don’t think taking the QB is the issue though. They decided to take a RB in RD2 with Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams on the roster. That was more head scratching to me... there were I believe 7 WR off the board before they traded up to take Love at 26.

I got into a debate last night with some friends via text message. After the GB game someone made a comment that the Packers are wasting Rodgers. I snapped back and said 7-3 is a real waste. They went into a long rant about how the Packers were 1 game away from the Super Bowl and did nothing to address their needs, they specifically singled out the decision to take Jordan Love in the 1st round. I want to get everyone’s thoughts? The Packers have a shot to be the #1 seed in the NFC this year. My stance is that your goal as a franchise is to win a Super Bowl, you have a better chance at winning a Super Bowl if you’re competitive every year because the playoffs are a crapshoot, in order to win you need an elite QB. The Packers have an elite QB now and felt Love had the potential to stretch their competitive window post Rodgers. The QB is all that matters IMO. Now if Love doesn’t pan out the point is moot, but if Rodgers fails to win a SB and eventually love takes over and becomes a top tier QB I think it’s undoubtedly worth it because it keeps the Packers competitive. The Chiefs were a competitive team with Alex Smith, but they decided to trade up for Mahomes AND sit him a season and it paid dividends. The Cardinals knew Rosen wasn’t the guy and made a move for Murray when they had the shot. The likelihood that Love becomes Mahomes is minuscule and Murray is a tough level to reach, but if you think you have a franchise QB you have to take them every time in my opinion. I think Miami needs to do it this year if they have a chance at Lawrence, Fields or Wilson. Thoughts?

This season has allowed me to sift through my feelings. I always knew that I hated Tom Brady, the Patriots and their fans. I thought I hated the Patriots organization the most, but I’m realizing my order or disdain goes; 1) Patriots fans I am friends with a bunch from college, but oh boy they’re unbearable. Most of them are so uninformed and entitled it’s embarrassing. They’re just humongous trolls. Then going to a game there last year cemented my feelings towards Pats fans. 3 separate instances I had to swoop in and stop random fans from getting physical and jumping my buddy. I was behind with a few of our Pats fan friends and was wearing a big coat over my Bills jersey so I blended in, he had a Bills jersey on (we all lived in the same college house, and outside of this Bills fan friend they were all my teammates) I literally saw a group point and single him out on the way into the stadium and come up and surround him. Two of my Pats friends and I had to come up and swoop him up out of there. Not a pretty scene. Leaving the stadium was worse, we all got separated and my Bills fan friend and I were trying to navigate our way out of the stadium. He got caught in a swarm and they were shoving him around like a kid on the playground and dumping beer and food on him. I had to slide through and grab him again, took a shot to the face and strategically slide behind a condiment table to separate us. They kept coming but I gave the first guy a stiff shot to the ribs and the group realized I knew what I was doing in a fight. Mind you, neither of us looked/said/gestured anything at any point. The worst part was nobody else stepped in at any point. I’ve had to step in at numerous Bills games, but at least people do it. Pats fans were almost cheering it on. 2) Tom Brady His behavior and presence embodied the worst things about the Patriots and their fans. He just egged it on and made it worse. He’s so difficult to like, I’m fairly certain nobody outside of NE does. 3) The Patriots The organization as a whole is whatever. Belichick is a great coach, and I respect that so much. I don’t really have issues with greatness. It’s the behavior of the groups listed above that make it intolerable.

Rams, SOV tiebreaker. Also, I hate Tom Brady.

Wallace wasn’t really a 1 year deal. He was a UDFA, which means he’s a RFA every year until he reaches his the proper amount of service time and the Bills just have to tender him a contract at the minimum threshold to retain him.

Pretty wild how much easier it was for them to move the ball with Fitzpatrick at QB. Tua will start next week against the Jets and should look fine/get the win. Same thing with the Bengals. Games against KC, NE, LV and Buffalo will be a much different story. Going to be a tough stretch for him... if the defense doesn’t bail him out like they did against AZ and LA then it’s probably best to start Fitzpatrick.

Lmao. This is all gut. I think Mitch has a similar skill set to Josh, at least closer then Barkley. Mitch will come pretty cheap because he’s been bad in Chicago. Bills liked Trubisky coming out of college. I just think it makes a lot of sense. Haha it never ends! I also think that Nagy gets fired this year and both Daboll and Bienemy get HC jobs. I wouldn’t be shocked if we pursued Nagy to be our OC (was McDermott’s first choice when he came here I believe, then Childress and eventually we hired Dennison), but I bet he ends up in KC. Dorsey will likely become OC. All speculation of course.

Mitch Trubisky will be signed as our backup QB in the off-season.

Stellar defense? They’ve beaten Philadelphia and Houston with some solid defense and 70MPH wind gusts lol. It’s not like the Eagles and Texans are world beaters. Browns were outscored like 77-13 in their games against Pittsburgh and Baltimore. If they were the Bills you wouldn’t be saying what you’re saying.

So your argument is based on the fact that Nix/Whaley’s drafts had guys come out of the gate playing above average and then busted? I mean that doesn’t make much sense. A few guys had good returns in season 1-2 and that makes them good draft picks forever? If you believe in a thing called player development, which actually exists, Beane’s drafts are fine. If they’re competitive with Josh and all of these “below average” picks, imagine when Beane finally gets 1, just 1 average to above average player in the draft.

Well you asserted that Whaley had better drafts... go look at the individual players he drafted... Beane’s drafts have been fine. yes, they did. So I’m gonna venture to guess the truth is somewhere in the middle?

Okay... well until this season Josh wasn’t seen as a good QB. So what about last year when you have roughly 7/22 starters on a playoff caliber team that were drafted by Beane that are known as mediocre or below average? Wouldn’t that be an issue? Defense across the league is down, not to mention our schedule has seen us face 3 of the top MVP candidates at QB. I agree it’s been frustrating to watch but they’ve undoubtedly improved as the season has gone on. Invested heavily in the defense is a loaded statement... yes the contracts are large and there’s money tied up there... but Beane structures them so they’re pretty much 1 year deals with options and very minimal repercussions moving forward. The money can be made liquid very quickly. A lot of people don’t really recognize that the talent pool in free agency is limited. Yes, they’re giving these guys deals because that’s who they’re limited to sign. Supply and demand. It’s that simple. If there was a better fit, I’m sure they’d explore it. But you can’t just make one appear.

I’m just kind of confused... how can Beane have 7 players over 3 drafts that are starting on a playoff caliber team that are mediocre to below average. If 7/22 starters are mediocre on this team are mediocre then that’s a real serious issue. They can’t be mediocre or below average otherwise the team wouldn’t be performing at a high level.

Well that’s not what this article says... and I’ll have to disagree on Whaley. Outside of Woods, Watkins, Lawson and Darby pretty much everyone he took is out of the NFL now... most of them never contributed to the Bills. I don’t count the 2017 draft for either GM, because we’ll never really know who was more influential McDermott or Whaley. At least it’s controversial amongst posters here. I count 7 guys (can make it 8 if you want to add Teller) Beane drafted that are starting on a playoff caliber team plus a bunch of role players contributing. He’s not perfect but the idea that a GM has to find a starter in all 7 rounds or else he’s bad is foolish. He’s been above average. Unfortunately fans place very high expectations on every draft pick and it they don’t live up to those lofty expectations then they’re a missed pick. It’s just a lack understanding of value.

It was extremely apparent when we played the Cardinals last Sunday. When they cut to the CBS halftime show they started talking about how it was a close game and whatnot. Bills were leading by a score... but they showed a graphic with Allen’s stats and Murray’s stats. Which were basically identical... Then someone said “So far it’s been the Kyler Murray show” and they flashed up Kyler highlights of him running around. He had 16 yards rushing, but they glossed over that and showed him scrambling around on plays that he avoided a 8 yard loss and turned it into a 1-2 yard loss or no gain. They made it look like he was running ALL OVER us. If you were watching the game... you had to be confused. But that’s the story they wanted to tell.

He practiced today... not officially ruled out yet. At least that I’ve seen.

Watching Dunlap get that sack just sent my mind to alternate vision of Mario Addison getting a sack to end the game on Sunday instead of flailing on the ground like a fish out of water. Going to pour a glass of tequila and cry myself to sleep.

OMG! OMG! OMG! Pete Carroll just used a timeout. Burn him at the stake with McDermott

Worked last week 😔

This stupid game is going to go to OT. If Murray marches then down the field we’re gonna hear more stupid narrative about Murray being the GOAT.

If McDermott challenged this play, this board would be burnt to the ground. Yikes. Primarily because his challenge conversation rate would drop

I did! Just didn’t think of it occurred outside the EZ and carried in it was a safety... which it’s not. I was screaming at my TV last week when the Cardinals had an injury timeout and then called a timeout right after. Announcers didn’t even react, refs didn’t say anything at first. I was so mad... took until we came back from the commercial, a little more discussion and they finally called it lol. Point being that the announcers do a really poor job of picking up on the finer details. Drives me nuts. It takes 1-2 plays for them to catch on to things and I’m convinced it’s someone in their ear telling them...

We want Seattle to win, right? SOV tiebreaker...?

If they Kay Adams story is a true story for you... I’m deeply sorry. I love her.