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Jacksonville is great situation if they move on from Baalke, which it seems like they’re willing to do for Ben Johnson. If Ben Johnson gets to be paired with his desired candidate (rumored to be Lance Newmark) then that checks off the GM box. The Khan family has shown a tremendous amount of patience with previous coaches like Gus Bradley, Doug Marrone and Doug Pederson. They even seemed reluctant to move on from Urban Meyer until he was accused of physically abusing a player. They’re also more than willing to spend money. This is more than enough to check off the ownership box, especially if they go get him his desired GM. Then you have Trevor Lawrence who has proven to be inconsistent, but has had flashes of high level play. Doesn’t seem all that different than Goff when he got to Detroit? Now Johnson gets to play around with an offense that features talent like Etienne, Bigsby, Thomas, Kirk, Davis and Engram? Not to mention the 5th pick in the draft. Can you not see him crafting something similar to Detroit? They have $35M in cap space and only 2 starters slated to hit free agency (Scherff and Cisco). It has the makings of a wonderful situation in an incredibly weak division. He’d have a chance to take the AFC South in year 1.

It’s clicking…

Absolutely, but it’s really hard if you land in a situation with bad ownership, bad GM or bad QB. Most situations you don’t even have 2/3. You will not even get the opportunity to install a program because you’ll be fired after 2-3 years because people get impatient Being selective like Ben Johnson has been is the best thing you can do for yourself.

I think he does… look for Darnold to go to LA and replace him too…

When it’s all clicking, I think the Rams are the best team in the NFC…

Agree it’s ironic, because it was on a no-call. Although, based on Josh’s smirk, I don’t think that was the actual conversation. He was protecting Vinovich there… he quickly said “I’m not going to comment on that” after his initial comment.

Mack owes me a game ball for the two times he stepped over a guy like a dipshit. I love Mack, but those are costly.

Right, that’s the whole point.

Umm, well before the 2021, 2022 and 2023 seasons this group of people (via The Athletic) had him in Tier 1 along with Josh Allen. The 2023 Quarterback Tiers results are here, complete with commentary from the 50 NFL coaches and executives who were granted anonymity to share unvarnished evaluations. This year, the 50 league insiders who placed 30 veteran quarterbacks into tiers included eight general managers, 10 head coaches, 15 coordinators, 10 executives, four quarterbacks coaches and three involved in coaching/analytics. A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure-passing situations. He has no real holes in his game. He was very clearly awarded elite company by those in the NFL.

Brother, I run circles around you every time we go back and forth. Don’t question my NFL knowledge.

It’s who they should have hired last year. Lucky for them, he was available this year. He makes them a serious program, but was marred by personnel issues with Tennessee and I think the same thing happens here in New England.

Excuses have been made for Herbert his entire career. First it was coaching and now it’s the supporting cast. It was Anthony Lynn’s fault his rookie season with an amazing supporting cast. Then he had wünderkid Brandon Staley who was the apple of the media’s with his absurd decision making. Now he has Harbaugh who everyone loves, and the excuse is that the weapons aren’t good enough. Herbert is who he is.

Lol he hasn’t he starved of weapons his entire career. Not to mentioned very high draft picks recently on Quentin Johnson and Ladd McConkey. Keenan Allen Mike Williams Austin Ekeler Hunter Henry Jared Cook Gerald Everett He walked into as good of a situation as anyone outside of Mahomes the last 15 years.

They looked weak outside the numbers, not our strong suit, but we didn’t have Amari the first time around. He was acquired for that reason.

If we beat Denver today, I’m somewhat pessimistic playing Baltimore. That being said, I think we have 3 things going in our favor. 1) Sean McDermott usually does a good job making adjustments when facing a team a 2nd time in a season. 2) Josh Allen in the playoffs is DIFFERENT. Absolutely zero chance he plays as poorly as he did earlier this year. 3) Baltimore feels like they tend to stall out in the 2nd half. We tend to take off in the 2nd half. That game earlier in the season was awful, but late in the 3rd quarter we had a chance to make it a one score game before the trick play fumble.

Okay, but the knock was on drafting? You have 4 guys there that we seem pretty close to agreeing are right on the cusp of that tier. Find me 5 (adding Josh) other teams that have drafted 5 All-Pro caliber talents, over the past 7 seasons. Hell, make it 3 guys per team.

Idk man, you tell me… Surtain: 37 catches allowed on 52 targets (71%), 7 forced incompletions, 5 pass break ups and 317 yards given up. Benford: 31 catches allowed on 51 targets (60%), 8 forced incompletions, 5 pass break ups and 279 yards given up. @Mikie2times wait so you agree here, but shoot me down for suggesting Benford, Brown and Cook are elite level players? Could it be the media takes awhile to catch on like you agree with @GunnerBill here…

There are years that Josh Allen hasn’t been voted the best one or two at his position in the league… so what does that mean then? I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy, just quit clutching on to some writers voting on games they don’t even watch.

Tre White (2019) Stefan Diggs (2020) Jordan Poyer (2021) Matt Milano (2022) Three defenders, nobody in the same season and the only offensive player was in Josh Allen’s breakout season. None in the other four, 40 touchdown seasons.

James Cook, Round 2. Spencer Brown, Round 3. Taron Johnson, Round 4. Christian Benford, Round 6. These are elite players at their position, IDGAF what the media says.

The argument in favor of Josh Allen continues to rely heavily on the narrative surrounding him, but what many Bills fans seem to overlook is the narrative from the national media — that Josh Allen was never supposed to be this good. While some have shifted their stance, there remains a palpable frustration among many who feel they were wrong about Allen. This is in stark contrast to how people felt about Tom Brady and Brock Purdy. With those two, there was no strong pre-draft expectation, as they weren’t viewed as Top 10 picks. There was satisfaction in being proven wrong with them, but with Josh, acknowledging the misjudgment feels far more difficult. A similar argument can be made for Lamar Jackson—though the narratives around the two are quite different. Lamar Jackson, unlike Allen, entered the 2018 NFL Draft as a dynamic playmaker who won the Heisman Trophy in 2016, Jackson’s style of play captivated college football fans and earned him national acclaim. With Allen, the frustration for his critics comes from the difficulty of admitting they were wrong about his ceiling, while with Jackson, the pride comes from seeing a player defy the doubts about his unconventional approach. Both narratives are filled with a sense of "proving people wrong," but in Jackson’s case, it was more about silencing the critiques of his playing style and refining his game, while Allen had to overcome more fundamental doubts about his potential to succeed at all. To win an MVP, Allen will likely need to separate himself by such a significant margin that even the most persistent critics can no longer deny his greatness. The path to MVP for him is not just about playing well; it’s about playing dominantly—so well that even the questions about his development and past doubts become irrelevant. Unless Allen has a season where his performance is undeniably head and shoulders above everyone else, the narrative will remain focused on past criticisms.

You’re right… teams should just get their crystal ball out each draft and ask it to make the pick.

I don’t get it, they have a roof… just go inside. At least that’s what certain people say here about the snow… Seriously hope everyone is okay.

New England and Chicago are somewhat attractive because of Maye and Williams, but I agree with you, it'll be Vrabel and Johnson in those spots. I don't think either will seriously consider Brady. I wouldn't touch any of the other jobs with a 10-foot pole. Hell, even if he comes back here next year and McDermott doesn't go, Zac Taylor is a dead man walking in Cincy. Burrow and Chase would pound the table for Brady - it's a dream situation.

I think this is the most likely scenario for Joe Brady. He should hold out for a better situation and collect a nice check from us for 2025. He's going to be known as the guy who finally tamed Josh Allen and put together a record setting offense with an unproven supporting cast. Run it back for year 2, where he'll likely have better weapons at his disposal to make even more noise. If the chips fall properly, he may even get to stay here and take over... not finding a better GM/QB situation than that.