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That’s not what I said. Don’t put words in my mouth… just like you shouldn’t put your interpretation on what you thought the ref saw.

You’re ignoring how dumb your statement is and continues to be. 54% of NFL games are decided by 1 score. You’re trying to sell me on the fact that teams aren’t doing enough if they’re playing a game that the refs can influence…

If he saw the head turned and handfighting… he saw the head turned with a handful of jersey you clown. The defender has his head turned and is yanking Diggs’ jersey so bad you can see his shoulder pads. Diggs isn’t handfighting… he has one arm free, the other being manipulated and his jersey being pulled. What you just said in your post above is NOT what you said initially.

This doesn’t make sense considering 54% of NFL games are decided by 1 score. By your logic 54% of the time teams don’t play well enough to avoid bad calls from refs? That’s just a bad standard. NFL games are close… the refs have the opportunity to sway over half the results.

Bro, you called it handfighting. Now you’re admitting the shirt pull. It’s a 180. Admit you were wrong… there’s a ***** paper trail.

I’m not disputing that portion of it. @Gene1973 just did a complete 180 on his interpretation of what happened and is pretending like he’s some savant.

It’s handfighting when you’re clearly grabbing a handful of another player’s jersey and you can see his shoulder pads? Give me a break, Gene.

Quietly FilthyBeast is the most over-reactionary poster on Two Bills Drive right now.

They 100% care. I have a friend who was a MLB All-Star… it was a surreal moment for him. He didn’t care that fan voting was part of it… it didn’t make it any less meaningful. It’s stuff that these players dream about and @Gene1973 is out here spewing nonsense per usual.

Did I say it’s more valuable? You’re trying to claim it has no value at all.

You realize the fan vote for the Pro Bowl is only 1/3 of the total vote. Whereas All-Pros are chosen entirely by writers… people not involved in the game. Your argument so far for why the Pro Bowl isn’t important has been… 1) Nobody plays in the game Rebuttal: There is no All-Pro Game so? 2) Stupid Fan Voting Rebuttal: It’s 1/3 of the vote. 2/3 are from NFL players and coaches. Plus, writers who vote for All-Pros are… fans. 3) Less All-Pros = More Prestigious This would’ve been a great comment to make at first… but it was the 3rd thing you brought up 😂

Why do they mean more? All-Pro selections are chosen solely by football writers, many of whom have never played the game and are just fans of the sport. Pro Bowl selections are chosen by peers, coaches and fans. Both mean something, but please explain to me why All-Pro means something and Pro Bowl means nothing?

Ok? It’s about the honor coming from your peers and coaches… with recognition from the fans mixed in. Do you not care about the All-Pro team because they don’t play a game?

Gene, finding ways to discredit Bills accomplishments since 1973. ™️

I thought McVay was a great in-game coach? I also thought the Rams had the blueprint to winning it all? Trade all your picks away. Looking great since the trade deadline.

Who are these better depth players that could’ve been acquired that you’re referring to? Johnson is out there because he’s one of our best players - that’s not a negative towards Klein. Klein is our 3rd LB. He’s depth… sorry he’s being used as depth instead of playing over Taron Johnson? Taron is fantastic in run support and gives you flexibility to defend the pass.

The coaching staff seems to be pretty high on Jaquan Johnson at S… we’ve just never really seen him play because of Poyer and Hyde. AJ Klein is definitely a good 3rd LB. I don’t know what you’re looking for depth wise. Name another team in the NFL that has the starting caliber safeties and linebackers we have? Of course there is going to be a drop off from Hyde and Poyer who are both arguably playing at an All-Pro level. Of course there is a drop off from White who is an All-Pro. Of course our other LB can’t cover like Milano and Edmunds. It’s because those guys listed are some of the best in the league at what they do…

I wasn’t asserting that the Saints offense was a juggernaut? That’s was just unnecessary fluff lol You’re missing the point. The concern was that we would be in a difficult position in a game if one of CB went down because having 4 CBs active is playing with fire. You’re asking for a 4th CB (I’m assuming boundary CB because Taron is strictly nickel) who isn’t a total liability… the reality is that guy doesn’t play unless someone gets hurt. It’s whether you believe keeping that guy on the active roster is worth it as compared to another position. That same caliber 4th boundary CB that we’d be keeping on the active roster is going to come off a practice squad or FA. You seem to be conflating the words depth and talent… it seems like you’re more worried about upgrading Dane Jackson or Levi Wallace than you are about adding another solid CB?

Well what’s the mistake? The common gripe is that 4 CBs on game day is super light and could hurt us if someone goes down in a game. It happened last night and they held up. Their 4 CBs have done just fine all year. Wallace is a suitable #2… how many teams have two Tre Whites? There’s always going to be a drop off between your star and the next guy. The CB depth thing has some validity in the event of injuries on game days… otherwise it’s kind of a weird argument.

I mean it’s not misleading at all… there’s a reason for having statistical minimums to qualify as a league leader. You did a great job of pointing out exactly why it’s NOT misleading.

Bro… if you’re going to tell me that I’m wrong at least know what you’re talking about. Beasley’s contract EXPIRES after 2022. John Brown an Cole Beasley both signed after 2018. Brown signed for 3 years and Beasley was 4 years. I don’t just come on here spouting off about ***** that I don’t know about. Believe me.

I didn’t say comprable replacement… I just said you have to use some of that money to sign a replacement for him. Say you spend $2M on a replacement… you’re really only saving $4M from cutting Beasley and also losing production from that position. At that point you need to decide if the $4M being spent elsewhere is such a significant upgrade that it offsets the drop off at Beasley’s position. Even if you don’t sign a replacement and you spend the $6M elsewhere… do the replacement(s) offset the downgrade of moving on from Beasley.

You made 1 comment about Tre White prior to the draft, you mentioned 2011 5th round pick Johnny White more than you mentioned Tre’Davious White. The 1 comment you made was nothing close to a comment with conviction about Tre White being the top corner in the draft. You said he would be a RD2 or RD3 pick… does that mean you didn’t have any CB rated as RD1 picks in 2017? Then you didn’t discuss the player for about 5 months… until all of a sudden with only one prior instance of discussing Tre’Davious White on the message board, you say he’s your favorite corner. For you to make the comment upthread that you were the only person to have Tre White rated as the #1 CB on this message board would have required you to have definitively said something of the sort leading up to the draft. You’re completely misrepresenting your support for Tre’Davious White. You mentioned him 1 time and are pretending like you were screaming it from the rooftops leading up to the draft.

Look, I’m not saying you’re wrong… just don’t misrepresent what you actually said. That’s the whole point. You’re behaving like it was some well known fact that you were championing Tre White… it wasn’t… you mentioned him 1 time prior to the Bills selecting him.

This would be great if I could find anything between January 1, 2016 and April, 27 2017 that even gave me a whiff of conviction as it pertained to Tre'Davious White. You said Tre'Davious White's name EXACTLY 1 time.. you actually mentioned the name Corey White just as much as you did Tre'Davious White prior to the draft. Ironically, you said the name Johnny White more between January 1, 2017 and April, 27 2017 than you did Tre'Davious White... This is you exact quote on Tre'Davious White from December 26, 2016: I haven't really done much individual analysis but at a glance I thought a guy like Tre'Davious White might end up being a terrific corner and being a very good tackler he might translate to S one day and that long term package might be a second or third round investment versus the steep price for his teammate Adams. His talent may actually be downgraded because he's been asked to play the more valued position. And that's always part of the equation when evaluating safeties. Byrd lasted until round 2 in part because HE was a CB in college You didn't comment again on Tre'Davious White until April, 28 2017 AFTER the selection I didn't get into the mocks and player rankings this year because I didn't do the work watching every player that others did so it's unfair to stack them on just the games I watched every week. But 3D White was my favorite cornerback in college football this year. This is where you say Tre'Davious White was your favorite cornerback in college... after the draft... when your last statement was made on December, 26 2016 and you said he might move to safety and was a RD2 or RD3 pick... no mention of him being your favorite player. These were literally the only two comments you made about Tre'Davious White for 1.5 years and now you're attempting to re-write your take. What I've outline above looks nothing like your quote below... you actually never said he was the top CB in the draft either.. you said he was your favorite cornerback in college football.. doesn't mean you believed he was the best... And I was probably the only person on TSW who had the relatively unheralded White as the top CB in the 2017 draft class (which notably had the MUCH heralded Marshon Lattimore). You didn't feel comfortable having much conviction until after the pick was made...