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The All-Pro tree that people on this board seem to think every GM has access to except for Brandon Beane.

I know this isn't directly related to your post here... But it's entirely plausible that Chad Hall just moved on for personal reasons... I see it happen all the time. It's really not that crazy of an occurrence.

To be clear I'm including AP All-Pro 1st and Second Team. If you look at the entire group excluding Special Teams (43 Players) 4 Teams have 3+ Players 50% made the playoffs in 2022 DAL and SFO 12 Teams have 2+ Players 58% made the playoffs in 2022 DAL, SFO, BAL, BUF, CIN, LAC, NYG 9 Teams have 1 Player 56% made the playoffs in 2022 KAN, MIA, MIN, PHI, SEA 11 Teams have 0 Players 9% made the playoffs in 2022 JAX Almost everyone is with their original drafting teams: Calvin Ridley (Suspended and Traded ATL to JAX) Wyatt Teller (Traded BUF to CLE) Roquan Smith (Traded CHI to BAL) Minkah Fitzpatrick (Traded MIA to PIT) JC Jackson (Signed as FA LAC to NWE) AJ Brown (Traded TEN to PHI) I guess the point here... Beane is in the upper third of the league finding "Stars" (yes, the Teller trade sucks but we're talking about drafting and that's it). He's also been VERY good at finding those average to above average starters... at a rate that puts him in the top 2-3 in the league. He's not a bad drafter the facts don't support that - he's somewhere in the Top 5 when you consider everything (DAL, SFO, KC, IND, BUF)

Since Beane took over drafting in 2018: 61 players who have entered league have been named to at least one All-Pro team Remove Special Teams players from that group then the number drops to 43 players named to at least one All-Pro team Account for only premium positions (QB, WR, T, DE, CB) and the numbers drops to 22 players named to at least one All-Pro team QB - 3 WR - 7 T - 3 DE - 3 CB - 6 3 teams have drafted multiple All-Pro players at premium positions since 2018 Atlanta - Calvin Ridley (2018) and AJ Terrell (2021) Dallas - Micah Parsons (2021), Trevon Diggs (2020) and CeeDee Lamb (2020) San Francisco - Deebo Samuel (2019) and Nick Bosa (2019) 2 GMs have drafted multiple All-Pro players at premium positions since 2018 Dallas - Jerry Jones (Will McClay) San Francisco - John Lynch Thomas Dimitroff drafted Calvin Ridley and Terry Fontenot drafted AJ Terrell Based on the Bills draft position from 2018 - 2022 Brandon Beane had the opportunity to select the following players without sacrificing acquiring another All-Pro Player at a premium position: Josh Allen (HE DID!) DK Metcalf (Over Ed Oliver and Cody Ford) Calvin Ridley (Over Tremaine Edmunds) - Suspended from NFL Jaire Alexander (Over Tremaine Edmunds) Deebo Samuel (Over Ed Oliver) Maxx Crosby (Over Ed Oliver, Cody Ford, Devin Singletary and Dawson Knox) J.C. Jackson (Entire 2018 Draft excluding Josh Allen) A.J. Brown (Over Ed Oliver and Cody Ford) - Traded away before becoming an All-Pro w/ Tennessee Let's not pretend like these premium players grow on trees and are easy to identify. 2/3 of them were 1st round picks that we didn't even have a chance to acquire, and the group listed above had an ADP of the 50th pick... meaning everyone passed on them at least once... including other top tier GMs.

Currently? Joe Brady Mike Tomlin Sean McDermott Mark Duffner The Bills alone have had 3 coaches who are William and Mary graduates (and Marv Levy was the head coach there) haha Buster Ramsey Harvey Johnson Sean McDermott

That’s not a bad gift! Pretty sure my sister said they’re around $125/per!

Sister is there now and planning to do the same. Go Tribe!

Fair enough my man. Go Bills!

Mike White: 27/44 268 yards 0 TD His career best game was actually last year against the Cincinnati Bengals Skylar Thompson: 17/45 220 yards 1 TD and 2 picks… lowest completion percentage of the season. The 3 Josh Allen turnovers helped him get the ball in numerous short fields. Mac Jones: 26/40 243 yards 3 TDs and 3 picks Two weeks prior he went 18/22 for 240 2 TDs and 0 INT against Cincinnati 😂 Seemingly having career days is just you being an absolute troll 😂

Alright well this means that there are only a handful of teams who can possibly win anything moving forward…. and the Chiefs are the only one with a QB on a big contract … because they’re doing it now that Mahomes contract kicked in. You’ve got like SF, JAX and maybe a few more? Bills can’t because of Allen’s contract Bengals won’t be able to because of Burrow and like 80% of their top players needing 2nd contracts. Chargers can’t once Herbert gets paid. Ravens can’t when Lamar gets paid. Vikings and Cowboys can’t because Cousins/Dak Eagles are about to pay Hurts because he doesn’t have a 5th year option.

So, four in six years? Doesn't seem like a big deal to me at all. Hell... the Steelers have had 3 OL coaches leave for lateral moves since 2019. They're considered the poster boys for stability lol 2019 - Mike Munchak left for the Broncos 2021 - Adrian Klemm left for University of Oregon 2022 - Chris Morgan left for the Bears I just googled "NFL coach leaves team for same position" and numerous examples came up right away. 2021 - Commanders VP of Player Personnel Kyle Smtih leaves to take same position with Atlanta Falcons 2022- Giants DC Pat Graham leaves Giants to take same positon with Raiders 2023 - Patriots TE coach Nick Caley leaves to take same position with Rams 2023 - Jaguars WR coach Chris Jackson leaves to take same position with University of Texas 2023 - Rams OC Liam Cohen leaves to take same position with University of Kentucky

Who are the other 3 or 4?

It’s much like Tom Brady in New England… he just willed his team to win. No defensive adjustments, good OL play, solid run game, etc. He just convinced guys to win.

What are you talking about ?“continuously rebooting OCs.” He’s had 2 offensive coordinators and the first left to be a head coach and won COTY this season. The exact same guy this board wanted to run out of town every week for 4 years. Shall I post all of your comments on Daboll from 2018 - 2021?

He didn’t work for the Buffalo Bills. He worked for 3 separate employers… WIVB-TV, Niagara Gazette and Lockport Union Sun & Journal. He’s been the same Jerry Sullivan for years and kept a job… then makes sexist comments where 3 companies terminate him and you’re trying to argue the Bills influenced that? Come on.

I said in my post excluding McDermott and it was implied with Beane… so it’s 8/38… because you’d have to add them to the denominator. Semantics. We weren’t talking about players… the discussion was about staff.

Okay, but do you see where your comment about him being run out of town for being tough isn’t true?

Yeah, those damn Bills! How dare they run Jerry Sullivan out of the building for his misogynistic comments about women. The Niagara Gazette should be ashamed too for following their lead and firing him! It’s critical journalism, maybe I just don’t understand 🤷🏻‍♂️

Fair enough, I didn’t remember the Schoen connection. Morgan didn’t play for McDermott… he was a scouting intern with Seattle when McDermott was still with Philadelphia… but Morgan was a player at the same time Beane was a personnel assistant. I’m not sure how much of a relationship there was, but you can draw a connection. Appreciate you fact checking me.

They didn’t wait until pick 7 just because… it takes another party to agree to a trade. They had an agreement in place with Denver (12, 22 and 2nd round) to move up that was contingent on Bradley Chubb not being there. Elway backed out when Chubb was there. That was the highest they could possibly get outside of 3 or 6 and the Colts didn’t want to move from 3 to 12… that’s why they made the deal with the Jets in the first place. Ballard turned in the Nelson pick without even listening to offers. Those are facts above, this is speculation here, if they were willing to give up 12, 22 and a 2nd in that draft to move up to 5…. why wouldn’t they be willing to give up more to go higher? That’s already a significant offer. Only the Colts moved out of the top 5… everyone else stood pat… what else can you do at that point? Teams weren’t willing to move. There were also 3 QBs left at that point - many thought Rosen was the best.

Here’s some analogies…. Bengals have a senior defensive assistant (Mark Duffner). Chiefs have a senior offensive assistant (Matt Nagy). 49ers have an assistant head coach (Anthony Lynn) and Game Management Specialist (August Mangin). Positions like this aren’t uncommon. Let that sink in.

The answer is yes… as seen below…

I mean I’ll do it… I just need to know how you’d define it. I feel like All-Pro is pretty darn close to capturing everyone you’d select.

How am I playing word games? I’m trying to nail down a definition here because you didn’t like the All-Pro barometer. Are you willing to go through 2018 - 2022 and hand select the high-ceiling premium players drafted?

You made the comment they have a tough time going out of their comfort zone/circle with the Carolina connection. You really want me to do this? The Bills have 26 members listed under their coaching staff (not including McDermott)… Al Holcomb will be #27. These are the guys who crossed over in Carolina (6): Ken Dorsey Bobby Babich Mike Shula Eric Washington Matt Worswick Al Holcomb These are the guys who don’t have any Carolina connection (21): Leslie Frazier Matthew Smiley Rob Boras Joe Brady John Butler Joe Danna Chad Hall Aaron Kromer Jaylon Finner Austin Gund Cory Harkey Marc Lubick Kyle Shurmur Kelly Skipper Ryan Wendell Marcus West Eric Ciano Will Greenberg Hal Luther Nick Lacy Jason Oszvart Looking at the front office quick… they have 9 people with VP, Director or Assistant Director titles in football operations. No Carolina connection (9): Jim Overdorf Kevin Meganck Brian Gaine Terrance Gray Malik Boyd Matt Bazirgan Lake Dawson Chris Marrow Curtus Rukavina So what? 36 people across coaching and football operations and 6 of them have ties to Carolina. Could also point to people like Dan Morgan (SEA), Joe Schoen (NYG) and Brian Daboll (NYG) as guys outside their comfort zone who were brought in to fill roles on the staff. There’s also David Culley, Bobby Johnson, Shea Tierney, Bob Babich, Jim Salgado, Danny Crossman and Heath Farwell.