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He's clearly conscious of protecting himself. He's not running with reckless abandon on every play like he used to... the run tonight and the TD that was called back against Miami show he still has that gear when he NEEDS to get into that gear. The difference is he's trying to avoiding doing it.

Look at the way his family behaves, he’s just like them. If he wasn’t the best QB in football, people would have next to no respect for him. When Mahomes is done playing and becomes a NFL alum, the goodwill he has from being a great QB will start to disappear. Time will not be kind to Patrick Mahomes, people will absolutely despise him and his ego.

I’m not ready to start freaking out yet. If he’s cleared, it’s a pain management thing. Dalton Kincaid was cleared to go back in the game on Sunday and pulled himself. He felt like he couldn’t protect himself with the way his body felt. Who is to say it’s not the same thing with Cooper? These guys are ELITE athletes that rely on their body for a living. I understand he’s cleared, but nobody knows him better than him. I’ve seen players cleared by trainers and told it’s just a pain management thing, but the player continues to report significant pain. This forces additional tests and imaging - shocker it was actually a significant injury that was misdiagnosed.

OMG WHAT ARE THE TITANS THINKING?!?

A lot of posters here were pretty upset when the Dolphins signed Long to a deal for 2/$10M. They felt we should have pursued him…

Fixed the title - wasn’t thinking about it too much when I was comparing the two. My bad.

I think the San Francisco 49ers just created the framework for a Christian Benford extension today. Deommodore Lenoir received a 5-year deal worth $92 Million a little over half way through his 4th season. Lenoir was drafted in 2021 by the 49ers in the 5th Round (172) out of Oregon. In his first three full seasons (2021-2023) he played in 47 games (32 Starts) recording 17 PD, 4 INT, 1 Sack and 124 tackles. PFF gave Lenoir grades of 57.1, 55.9, and 72.5 across his first three full seasons. Lenoir finished his 3rd season at 24 years of age. Lenoir has had a strong 2024 (4th season) thus far, in 9 games he has 6 PD, 2 INT, 1 FF and 53 tackles. He currently has a 67.8 grade from PFF. Christian Benford is half way through his 3rd season in the NFL. Benford was drafted in 2022 by the Bills in the 6th Round (185) out of Villanova. Looking at his first three seasons up to this point (2022-2024) he has played in 33 games (28 Starts) recording 19 PD, 4 INT, 3 FF, and 92 tackles. PFF assigned grades of 55.7, 82.2 and 77.0 (TBD) to Benford. He’s playing his 3rd season at 24 years of age. Lenoir has played both the boundary and nickel positions in his career while Benford has exclusively played the boundary. At this point, Benford seems to have outplayed Lenoir statistically despite having 7 games remaining in his 3rd season. It’s a crude comparison, but a Lenoir is a player with a similar background to Benford and may give us an idea of what it will take to retain Benford ahead of his 4th and final year of his rookie contract.

I’m not so sure. This is starting to become a question of legacy for Mahomes and Reid - they have 3 Super Bowl victories and you have to think they get 2-3 more before they’re done. They get a chance at going undefeated with the 17 game season, it gets them closer to Belichick and Brady.

Feels pretty likely to me that Mack Hollins will be back for 2025 in a reserve role. This is the type of back end of the roster WR we’ve had a hard time finding in the past.

Rules are rules 🤷🏻‍♂️

Well considering that you admit they were both productive players previously, I would venture to guess they believed they would both be productive players here? Really though, it's just a guess.

Or they're properly evaluating the fact that Ben Johnson has been extremely picky for 2 straight hiring cycles & the Saints are a complete dumpster fire? Honestly, the betting odds might be undervaluing that.

Did you say anything about DL? It was a vague statement about Beane standing pat and the Lions not. We’re also not pursuing a DE, so it doesn’t even matter.

You’re exactly right, I can’t believe he didn’t go out and get Amari Cooper when he could.

Isn’t Houston a dome?

Hahaha you very conveniently removed the rest of my response from the reply 😂😂😂 We both know the answer to that question, it’s been spouted off here hundreds of times. Nobody has done it. Don’t worry, it is all good though, I have a plan to get some fresh blood in here, I think you’re going to love it! It starts with hiring Todd Haley as the 21st Head Coach of the Buffalo Bills. His three season stint as a NFL Head Coach in Kansas City wasn’t great (19-26), but I’m confident that he’s learned a ton in his time with the Tampa Bay Bandits of the USFL in 2022 and the Memphis Showboats in the UFL in 2023. We also can’t forget the job he did developing QBs at Riverview High School from 2020-2022. He should be able to take that next step. In conjunction with hiring Haley, we’ll trade Josh Allen, because there’s a better Josh available that people are overlooking. That’s “right”, Josh Rosen. Be prepared though, we’re going to have to agree on compensation to pry him away from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. I can’t imagine that Wharton will let him go for cheap! The best part is, it will be their first season together as a HC/QB combination, which means the odds of them winning a Super Bowl increase dramatically. Don’t get made at me, I’m just giving you what you wanted.

I'd also add that all of those other coaches on that list that were hired had the opportunity to put together a process to go about identifying and acquiring a franchise QB. One guy on that list managed to identify and select a "Parody of a QB Prospect" and develop him. Sean McDermott is undoubtedly grateful for Josh Allen, but he is also an integral part of why Josh Allen developed into a generational QB. Stop acting like Josh Allen walked through the doors at One Bills Drive as a gift to McDermott, because by your own admission he was a "project QB prospect" that you didn't even think McDermott could develop to this point. If it was up to you, you'd have hired Josh McDaniels or Todd Haley - although I'll be honest with ya, Todd Haley did a heck of a job developing those QBs at Riverview High School the past couple of years! In fairness, that was after Todd Haley got canned as the Offensive Coordinator for the Cleveland Browns in 2018, you know, where he was tasked with developing 2018 #1 Overall Pick Baker Mayfield.

McDermott was a very highly thought of candidate prior to 2017. He received a call for a Head Coach interview with the Jets in 2015, the year we hired Rex. In 2016 he interviewed for 4 of the 7 head coach openings. He was the choice of 4/5 Browns executives in on their search, but owner Jimmy Haslam was the 1 person who vetoed it and opted to go with the hot OC candidate in Hue Jackson. He also interviewed for 3/6 openings in 2017 when we hired him. The part the scares me, is Terry paid a consulting firm a lot of money in 2015 to hire Rex Ryan, and then again in 2017. Here are the candidates from those cycles: 2015 Rex Ryan, former head coach (Jets) Teryl Austin, defensive coordinator (Lions) Darrell Bevell, offensive coordinator (Seahawks) Adam Gase, offensive coordinator (Broncos) Pep Hamilton, defensive coordinator (Colts) Hue Jackson, offensive coordinator (Bengals) Josh McDaniels, offensive coordinator (Patriots) Dan Quinn, defensive coordinator (Seahawks) Frank Reich, offensive coordinator (Chargers) Greg Roman, offensive coordinator (49ers) Jim Schwartz, defensive coordinator (Bills) Kyle Shanahan, offensive coordinator (Browns) Mike Shanahan, former head coach Pat Shurmur, offensive coordinator (Eagles) 2017 Sean McDermott, defensive coordinator (Panthers) Harold Goodwin, offensive coordinator (Cardinals) Kris Richard, defensive coordinator (Seahawks) Vance Joseph, defensive coordinator (Dolphins) Anthony Lynn, offensive coordinator/interim head coach It's possible McDermott was the target the whole time, and the rest of the group was just interviewed to satisfy the Rooney Rule. Then again Vance Joseph and Anthony Lynn came out of that coaching cycle with head coach jobs - dodged a bullet there. The scariest part is that Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan were hired in that cycle, and we didn't bring either in for an interview. As I discussed earlier, those two are the tier below Belichick and Reid in my mind, and we didn't even interview them. Those lists are AWFUL to look at. They brought in 19 candidates for interviews, out of those 19 only 3 of them will be anywhere near a NFL HC job again - McDermott, Shanahan and Quinn. They passed on Quinn in 2015 for Rex Ryan, Quinn ran out of steam in ATL but is having a resurgence in WSH with Kingsbury and Daniels. Then you have Shanahan who they interviewed in 2015 and then opted not to pursue again in 2017. I'm curious to go back and look at other cycles now, but going back and looking through these quickly, it's telling me it's even more unlikely that a team is able to identify the right guy to elevate them. Other teams are missing left and right, and it's not even close.

I understand what you're saying, and at some point, I think it could be necessary. I'm just not at that point yet. I'm not afraid of getting better, for the purpose of the exercise, can you walk me through how you would find his replacement? Who are the top targets?

The subtle point I was trying to make is that McDermott has been directly impeded by Belichick and Reid - he had to play in the same division as Belichick and Reid's Chiefs have eliminated the Bills 3 out of the last 4 seasons. It's going to take some breaks to get there and "win one Championship" when you're going against arguably the greatest ever each season. Would you be happy with someone like Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan? I would be thrilled to have someone like McVay or Shanahan, as I view them as the next closest tier down from Belichick and Reid over the last decade. The problem is they haven't been very good at taking down Belichick and (more importantly) Reid either. McVay vs Belichick and Reid (2-2) 11/19/2018 Rams beat Chiefs 54-51 2/3/2019 Patriots beat Rams 13-3 (Super Bowl) 12/10/2020 Rams beat Patriots 24-3 11/27/2022 Chiefs beats Rams 26-10 Shanahan vs Belichick and Reid (1-5) 9/23/2018 Chiefs beat 49ers 38-27 2/2/2020 Chiefs beat 49ers 31-20 (Super Bowl) 10/25/2020 49ers beat Patriots 33-6 10/23/2022 Chiefs beat 49ers 44-23 2/11/2024 Chiefs beat 49ers 25-22 (Super Bowl) 10/20/2024 Chiefs beat 49ers 28-18 They're 3-7 combined and 0-3 in the playoffs. For comparison sake... McDermott vs Belichick and Reid (13-14) 7-8 vs Belichick (1-0 in the playoffs) 4-4 vs Reid (0-3 in the playoffs) 13-14 and 0-3 in the playoffs. I wasn't suggesting that you asked for us to find Belichick or Reid. Instead, I was trying to illustrate my main point, that in my opinion in order to get what you're asking for, we better find someone like Belichick or Reid. Why? Because if we don't, we'd be lucky to get a Zac Taylor or Doug Pederson. Someone that MIGHT catch lightning in a bottle but are as likely to miss the dance all together. There are FAR MORE guys like Zac Taylor and Doug Pederson than there are Bill Belichick and Andy Reid. Then there are FAR MORE guys who are worse than Zac Taylor and Doug Pederson. I feel like I'm being pretty objective here when I say that Sean McDermott is a better coach than Zac Taylor or Doug Pederson, and seeing that head coach hiring is an imperfect science, tells me it's more likely we get a Zac Taylor/Doug Pederson type... and maybe even worse. BONUS: As I stated above, I think McVay and Shanahan are in that next tier behind Belichick and Reid this decade. I also believe that McDermott is in that same tier, as he has played in the much more challenging conference. McDermott is currently 3-0 when matched up against McVay and Shanahan and he gets a crack at them again later this season.

Popular projections had them going between 3-13 and 5-11. Their leading receiver in 2017 was Charles Clay with 558 yards. LeSean McCoy was 2nd with 448 and Deonte Thompson who was released by the Bears 5 weeks into the season was our 3rd leading receiver with 430 yards, which was a career high for him. They were supposed to be terrible that year and somehow won 9 games, that's the point, roster was bad and McDermott won 9 games. Then won 6 in 2018. You said McDermott couldn't win 5 with the Saints roster, and managed to win 9 and 6 with teams that were as bad or worse. Thank you for bringing up the point about 2018 to further prove your original post was stupid.

These ones will probably be open too... LV, DAL, NYG, CHI, JAX All of them have some massive warts though - Chicago is probably the most attractive option. Leslie Frazier might get his shot to be a HC again...

It's just really hard to follow along with this. McDermott isn't Andy Reid or Bill Belichick, so let's fire him? The guys who are #3 and #4 all time in wins in NFL history. There have been 7 Super Bowls since McDermott became the head coach of the Buffalo Bills, Reid and Belichick have represented the AFC in 6/7 and have won 4/7. The likelihood that we find the next Reid or Belichick is so small. If we're lucky we end up with Zac Taylor or Doug Pederson... someone who catches lightning in a bottle, but hopefully we don't end up with the version of a Taylor/Pederson type who severely under performs in the regular season and misses a chance at the dance all together - you know, like the version of them that shows up more often than not. AFC Andy Reid (4 appearances, 3 wins) Bill Belichick (2 appearances, 1 win) Zac Taylor (1 appearance, 0 wins) NFC Sean McVay (2 appearances, 1 win) Doug Pederson (1 appearance, 1 win) Bruce Arians (1 appearance, 1 win) Kyle Shanahan (2 appearances, 0 wins) Nick Sirianni (1 appearance, 0 wins) He won nine with a far worse team in 2017... LOL!