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In terms of completion percentage Cam sits around 59% for his career... which is right around where Josh is at with 58%. Cam Y/G rushing is 39 for his career... Josh's Y/G rushing is 38. I guess Cam has a longer track record... but the main difference between the two is what the media tells you. Allen is inaccurate because of his footwork... not necessarily arm action. Josh's release is quick... so he can get the ball out quick if he needs to. It doesn't take a lot for him to be accurate... his feet just have to be somewhat set... he has kid of a hop motion to keep everything balanced. It's something he worked on for this year, he's more of a rotational passer. Newton has a pretty bad hitch in his throwing motion... which takes him a little longer to get the ball out. Couple that with his footwork which is inconsistent from time to time and you have a guy that really can't succeed in Belichick's style offense... or at least the offense they've run for 20 years.

Cam is better than any QB Belichick has started outside of Brady... but he doesn't play the game in a way that fits their system. It was a weird fit. His mechanics take a lot for things to go right... he's not very accurate... their system depends on it. With that being said... I'm fairly positive he will start next week and be used as a RB that can throw...

Yes, you are 100% correct. My calculations based on his contract extension he signed in August, Sean McDermott has 1,891 days remaining in Buffalo.

Great post. Everyone is going to have an opinion and someone outside the NFL can most definitely be more qualified and right more often than some GMs. I’m not necessarily going to buy the fact that all 32 FOs are incompetent. It’s simply not believable... it’s also easier to form an opinion and bang the table for certain players when at the end of the day your job isn’t on the line. It’s a lot harder when you’re there making those decisions with real ramifications, speaking from experience.

How am I reaching for a comparison? I gave you rankings from a 3rd party. They put those guys in the same category as Tre White. Which would imply that they’re more than decent veterans. It’s fair ask whether or not you’d trade Tre White for a 3rd round pick? Fine. If you don’t believe he’s the same caliber and a notch above, would you trade him for a 2nd round pick? In the pro sports world, if you make a scouting or personnel recommendation and your evaluation doesn’t actually match up with the recommendation... it gets thrown out. Your evaluation doesn’t match up with the recommendation.

I showed you that 4 of the guys you listed are ranked somewhere in the top 25 by PFF. None are ranked above Tre White (10) but Slay comes in at 11. They’re all roughly in the same range. Out of curiosity, if Brandon Beane traded Tre White for a 3rd round pick, what would you say about that?

So you’re going to disagree that Metcalf was the 9th receiver taken and last pick in the 2nd round... which shows what NFL GMs thought of him as opposed to blog writers. Primarily because he went viral in a photo on Twitter. Makes complete sense. Ford was talked about as a RD1/RD2 pick by those same websites, that’s not my argument, but if you want to rebuttal my Metcalf points and continue to dismiss Ford... I’ll just lock you up with your own logic.

I can’t see current season ranking because I don’t subscribe to PFF, but going into this season Slay, King, Fuller and Robey-Coleman were all rated as top 25 CB in the NFL by PFF. I understood the point, I don’t think you understand the value of the players you gave as an example.

You’re not trying to say we were going end up with a future starter, but right before that statement, you go on to list some of the better cornerbacks in the NFL as trade candidates. I totally follow.

Metcalf was the 9th WR drafted and the last pick in RD2. Please stop acting like he was a can’t miss prospect. All of the Ole Miss skill players had serious question marks because that offense was brutal despite having talent everywhere. Mario Addison has been one of the most consistent defensive ends over the last 4-5 seasons. He’s played better than Ngouke and wasn’t going to cost them $20mm with an extension.

I know what you're saying. You want the team to go for it... we all deserve that. I mean yes the Steelers and Patriots traditionally have strong talent but they have a culture that allows them to do almost anything and compete year in and year out. These quick fixes, band-aid types move can pay off and get you a chance at the Super Bowl... or you can look like the 2011 Dream Team Eagles or the Los Angeles Rams that have no draft picks, no cap space and no Lombardi trophy. The point is to have sustained success... the longer you keep your window open... the better chance you have of winning. That's the thought process... I wouldn't say it isn't working... they've had success with it... it just doesn't happen over night. That's the difference between the two methods.

Well no, you are stating that the trade for Diggs was an overpay and that a deal like the Hopkins deal should have occurred. Primarily because the Bills didn't address the WR position the year before. I was also showing that even though teams addressed the WR position the year before they STILL gave up assets to acquire Hopkins... so your point just doesn't hold up. DK was a mystery... he wasn't a can't miss stud... or else he wouldn't have fallen to the last pick in RD2. I was showing you there that it wasn't possible. Teams didn't even know Hopkins was being moved... it's hard for someone to acquire Hopkins when they don't have a chance to acquire him. Back to your dead cap qualms. We can release Lee Smith, Vernon Butler, Quentin Jefferson and Tyler Matakevich to save $17.5mm with only $2.8mm dead.

Sure. Either way they’re not lacking draft capital. They have 7 picks. 3 in the first 3 rounds. It’s not like they’re in a dire position. They’re able to move picks if they want to. Every team starts with 7 picks. What do you mean other teams didn’t have the need the Bills had? I literally just told you DK Metcalf was the 9th receiver taken in that draft and you completely ignored it. Those teams undoubtedly had a need based on the fact that they drafted a receiver and in drafting a receiver they opted to not take Metcalf. That was a great deal for Arizona, but they were able to take advantage of O’Brien. I’m sure AFC teams weren’t even given that opportunity. The whole league knows the deal was a joke. There’s a very high chance most teams didn’t even know Hopkins was on the market, and O’Brien was just going rogue. It was an unprecedented deal, and one that other NFL teams didn’t have an opportunity to make. “No, we had no sense he was on the market,” Rivera told Washington reporters Wednesday. Asked if he was surprised that the Texans, led by coach and executive Bill O’Brien, traded Hopkins to the Arizona Cardinals, Rivera responded with the affirmative. “Yeah, just like everybody else,” he said. “We were all surprised. Here’s a talented player playing for a team he had played very well for and they traded him. It was a decision that was made on another team.” “It is amazing in the NFL that some trades are so lopsided still,” said an NFL executive, according to Mike Sando of The Athletic. “The Hopkins thing was a joke. How the David Johnson contract was included in the deal just astounds me.” “The ability to get out from Johnson, I can’t recall if another one like that exists, where a team acquired a high-level player and also was able to divest itself of a negative contract.”

Now they’re light in draft capital? They have 8 picks next year. They’re also light on promising young talent? That’s an interesting take. Tre White, Josh Allen, Devin Singletary, Diggs, Dawkins, Gabe Davis, Ed Oliver, Edmunds... I won’t list anyone too controversial because it seems like you don’t believe player development exists and players just are what they are. The amazing thing about these contracts and dead money is that there’s a very insignificant amount of dead money if players are cut... because Beane structures those deals that way. Great example. DK Metcalf was taken with the 64th pick in round 2 (last pick in round 2). He was the 9th receiver off the board in 2019. Flame Beane all you want but it seems to me the entire league decided Metcalf wasn’t worth being taken sooner. Some of the teams that took receivers instead of DK Metcalf... Baltimore Ravens, San Francisco 49ers, New England Patriots, Tennessee Titans, Kansas City Chiefs. Interesting that they’re all teams people have been puffing up as front offices so much smarter and better run than Buffalo... and many passed on Metcalf twice, including taking other receivers instead... Another team that took a receiver instead of Metcalf was Arizona... maybe they wouldn’t have had to give up any capital for DeAndre Hopkins... if they didn’t make that significant error they wouldn’t have had to spend even more draft capital to fill that void the next year.

Well it’s actually useless to point out throwing in extra assets because he only gave up 1 2021 pick to acquire Diggs. So, that decision to “include extra picks” literally had no impact on being able swing a move this year. Absolutely zero impact. It was a 2020 1st, 5th and 6th along with a 2021 4th. He created record amounts of dead money in 2018 for a reason... I don’t understand what’s so hard to comprehend about the fact that those cap hits would have continued beyond 2018 and 2019 and made things more difficult in the years we needed to sign key pieces like Tre, Dawkins, Josh or even acquire a guy like Diggs. I’m not so sure what’s hard to comprehend about that.

Yes, the Ravens front office is great. They really are one of the best run organizations in sports. I think everyone can agree that the Hopkins trade and the Diggs trade were made under two totally different circumstances. Beane paid that price for Diggs because he had to.. people want to keep comparing the Diggs and Hopkins trade because they happened around the same time, but O’Brien was never trading Hopkins in the AFC and he was running rogue... using that as a way to diminish Beane’s decision making is silly.

Cody Ford played all of last year at RT.. not RG. Feliciano started every game at RG and Spain literally played every snap at LG... so it’s impossible for Cody Ford to have had played RG all of last year. He played 169 snaps at RG last season. Low and behold, he’s started 6 games at RG in his professional career. He’s played 369 snaps at RG this season. Wyatt Teller didn’t start regularly until the end of 2019 with Cleveland and didn’t breakout until this season, which is his 3rd NFL season. Well for starters it looks like there were disciplinary issues with Spain. Teller was a 5th round pick who was uneven as a rookie and he was traded away in favor of Spain and Feliciano at G. Teller didn’t start for the Cleveland Browns for the first half of the 2019 season. Hindsight is a really cool thing. Say what you want man... It was essentially a 1 year deal with two option years. Yes, it was written as a three year extension but there’s only $1mm in dead money next year and nothing in 2022. Spain has played more than 6 games at guard in his career. Ford has not.

Yes, Brandon Beane is extremely afraid to part with underperforming players that this regime has drafted and missed on. He’s totally never traded one away, the coaching staff has totally never benched one. They’re just thick skulled with no ability to assess anything. He must be so embarrassed and so stubborn that it impacts his decision making. Such a horrible leader. Yes, Cody Ford a player who has 6 career starts at guard is below average and has no room for improvement and is an absolute bust. Idk. Ask Belicheck... he does stuff like this all the time. His culture sucks over there in New England.

If you seriously think that they had no intention of procuring skill players, I don’t know what to tell you. They were just gutting the team... the goal wasn’t to win. It wasn’t a real issue, it was part of the plan they had. They wanted to rip things down and they still won enough games to make the playoffs... primarily because of McDermott’s coaching. If they’re going to get rid of players to get the cap under control and build something more sustainable in the future, you don’t go out and drop money on skill players that year. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense from a team building standpoint. In 2018 they had no desire to compete... again... they were had like $60mm in dead money from guys like Tyrod, Cordy Glenn, Eric Wood, Richie Incognito, Dareus, etc. they simply didn’t have the resources to go get absolute studs like you were hoping for... it wasn’t the plan. In 2019 they went and got Brown and Beasley on very friendly deals once the cap was under control. Then went and got Diggs and Davis the year after... now they have arguably the best WR corps in the league... because that was the plan. It’s not madden, it’s not fantasy football... you can’t buy and sell at the same time... it just doesn’t work. Take it from a guy who works in a professional sports FO. It wasn’t a fast change there were 1-2 years of dead cap associated with all of that. Watkins had his 5th year option declined and we weren’t about to give him a big contract... we were avoiding that at the time for a reason.. all of those guys were approaching needing new deals.

Beane and McDermott made the decision to strip the roster of bloated contracts and particular players on both the offensive and defensive side of the football via trade. Sammy Watkins, Ronald Darby, Marcel Dareus, Reggie Ragland, Kevon Seymour. They also let certain pieces walk during free agency to avoid handing out big contracts, both on the offensive and defensive side of the football. Over 35 players departed via free agency in 2017. Robert Woods, Stephon Gilmore, Marquise Goodwin, Nickell Robey-Coleman, Mike Gillislee were the biggest names. Going into Training Camp in 2018... they had just 15 players remaining from the end of the 2016 season. 7 on the offensive side and 6 on the defensive side to go along with 2 ST. I apologize, when I was looking I was looking at the record of the team when we beat them by mistake. That added 3 teams who did go on to be 8-8. As for the offense, yeah it’s been anemic those first three years. They started Tyrod and a project QB. It wasn’t going to be pretty. Josh has 4 great games this year and 1 mediocre game and a dud. They’ve played good competition outside of the Jets in all of those games... they’ll be ok. Every team they’ve played outside of the Jets is .500 or better right now.

Sean McDermott makes Dick Jauron look animated and uncorpse like? Wow. He’s not passionate? I’ll tell you a story, because I didn’t necessarily notice it but my father who served as an officer in the Marine Corps did. The scene in the locker room watching the Bengals/Ravens game in 2017, they cut to McDermott for a reaction when the Bengals scored... he goes to celebrate... and then stops himself and collects himself. He turns away from the group and puts his head down and prays... then he goes around and starts shaking hands and congratulating the players. My Dad was stunned... “Did you see that? That’s such an impressive thing for him to be able to do. He was fighting so hard to maintain his composure. He couldn’t let his men see him get too high or too low, because they feed off of him. That’s an unbelievable leader right there. He gathered himself and acted like a professional.” Does he need to show some more fire from time to time of the sidelines? Sure. But you can’t do it all the time or else it becomes meaningless. They didn’t show up against the Ravens, Patriots and Texans down the stretch? They lost all of those games by a score, had the ball late against BAL and NE with a chance to tie the game and had a chance to win against HOU should 1/3 guys put a hat on McKinney.

They were 24-24 in the 3 years prior to McDermott and then you admit that they stripped the team down when McDermott arrived? So you’re telling me to give you a break, while you support my argument. Not quite sure how it’s revisionist history when in both 2017 and 2018 the football world was in agreement that McDermott did a heck of a job considering the roster he was given. The expectations for those teams were not high... so by talking about that and talking about how he got them to over perform is revisionist history? That doesn’t add up. The answer to your O/U question is 8 teams.

I appreciate this break down. It’s very important, because I think this is a key thing we should all be looking it. The Bills need to show improvement here. Although I will say that the records in 2017 and 2018 shouldn’t carry as much stock as 2019 and 2020. The 17/18 Bills were not supposed to be competitive teams... those teams were tripped down to the screws. The 2019/2020 Bills are important to look at and as of now, it definitely is underwhelming. Although I could argue we’re 2-2 against same year playoff teams this season. It remains to be seen. He has a winning record in 2/3 seasons (also currently 4-2). The 6-10 season when the team was stripped down to the screws heavily impacts that. Context is important:)

Everyone keeps throwing McDermott’s record out there... and nobody wants to apply context to it. The reason people were excited about a guy who was 25-23 in his first 3 seasons is the context. The 2017 Buffalo Bills were projected to be an absolutely horrendous football team... #1 pick bad. They went 9-7. Some will say they “backed their way into the playoffs” which is just a stupid comment. Unbelievably stupid. If Cincinnati beats Baltimore 2 weeks earlier and our win against Miami gets us in... did we back in? Give me a freaking break. The 2018 Buffalo Bills were once again projected to be an absolutely horrendous football team... #1 pick bad. Many projections having them win less than 4 games. They went 6-10. Not to mention they played Josh Allen, someone who many argued shouldn’t even be in the NFL... wasn’t ready to play and would be out of the league quick. The 2019 Buffalo Bills were projected to be average... everyone mocked Josh Allen and the team that we had. We managed to go 10-6 and clinch a playoff spot before the final week of the season. They collapsed in the playoffs and again lost by 1 score. He’s managed to take teams with less talent and get them to perform above what anybody expects. This impatient fan base distorts EVERYTHING. The team was rebuilding... they tore absolutely everything down and they continued to have success. The Buffalo Bills are 4-2 right now and 2 games up in the AFC East. Our entire division has to play the AFC and NFC West. It won’t necessarily be a cakewalk for them either. Yeah, I’m embarrassed by the past two performances. Yeah, adjustments sure need to be made, you’d be crazy to say they don’t. Yeah, we’re not clicking on all cylinders early in the season against good teams all the time (yes, the Dolphins, Raiders and Rams are good teams too). The sky doesn’t have to fall 6 weeks in when we’re leading our division. Everyone screaming about how we backed into the playoffs so McDermott isn’t good, get a grip. Everyone screaming about how we went 10-6 last year because our schedule was weak, get a grip. We’re probably going to end up 10-6 again this year against a more difficult schedule and the same people are gonna whine and cry because “We showed no improvement with our record. We went 10-6 this year and 10-6 again. Unacceptable!” Are y’all this ridiculous and negative in your day to day life? Do y’all overreact to everything without actually going through all the facts and assessing things with an even hand? I mean seriously.. I know there are studies on how fans are irrational but people here take the cake. Whenever something goes right, y’all hedge and say it’s not gonna last. That way when there’s a blip on the screen, you can come out and say you’re right.

I should note I don’t support either side lol. I find both useless, it’s definitely valid to be excited and/or upset about a player... but be able to back it up. The posters here that do that make things so much more engaging, but sometimes to get to it you have to scroll through 40 “he’s a franchise QB” and “dude is trash. Cut him and fire Beane” to get there. Everyone spends a little extra time stating their opinions and producing thoughtful content from time to time and things get super fun around here.