BillnutinHouston

Yea - he threw a pick on one of them.

27-3 Jets

At this point I'd be in favor of trading, but only for draft picks (for the next regime to rebuild with). If I'm Ralph I'm parting ways with TO and Marshawn.

I voted for a separate coach and GM because I think they require two different skill sets. Ralph definitely needs to clean house on all levels.

Because Marv Levy, that football genius, was our GM at the time.

I give you credit for saying "if" we lose. I can't see a scenario where this offense moves the ball against that D with crowd noise.

Tim Tindale

My take on Marv Click if you care to read. The key quote of my post was, "The absence of any recent "glory days" for this franchise drives many to continue to worship at Marv's feet. So be it. But for all those who think Marv built or facilitated the careers of Kelly, Smith, Thomas and Reed, I say that it was really the opposite that took place. When you look OBJECTIVELY at what Marv has wrought since his association ended with those players (and Bill Polian making the personnel decisions), the results are clear. Marv's credibility to speak on any topic related to the success of the Bills is nil."

And you all say that the front office doesn't do anything!! Ha!

It was the MARVELOUS ONE who picked Poz, McCargo and Whitner. Way to go Marv, we luv ya! NOT!

I don't see the Bills moving the ball at all offensively, against that D with the crowd noise. Do any of you?

Well said. I find it interesting that Ralph has enough loyalty to the people of WNY keep the team in place there yet refuses to run it in a way that doesn't embarrass the fans. How does Ralph look down at his ring and feel good about his role in this mess?

I agree. I would add the promotion of Polian but will grant you that how that turned out was mostly luck. He is now trying the same thing with Brandon (promoting a relatively bright underling) and we all see how that's working out.

We all know that Ralph is in over his head as the leader of a legitimate football organization, and has made few decent organizational decisions since allowing Polian to run the show in the late 80's. My question to you is: what do you think is the main driver of Ralph's decisionmaking - is it mainly a) a calculated focus on making a decent profit while keeping the team in Buffalo; b) sincerely trying to win but insisting on giving himself free reign to make the major decisions and determining spending parameters, thus allowing his ego, incompetence and innate thriftiness to determine the product on the field or c) a combination of both? I think there's evidence to support all of the above. Just curious what you all think. I agree with a previous poster who stated Ralph was on the right track organizationally when he hired Donahoe and gave him full power to run the show, unfortunately TD's inability to hire a strong coach was his undoing. And TD's major PR blunders drove Ralph to retake control of his toy, thus making the franchise the rudderless mess it is today.

And a late flag thrown after our RB gets taken out of bounds, is a personal foul on our RB. How often does that happen?

I'm listening now and didn't hear him say that. Vic watched the game from the press box in Denver BTW.

Let me get this straight. Our offense puts 3 points on the board AT HOME AGAINST THE WORST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE and you use Roscoe to keep the heat off Trent? Watch Trents' INT when he rolled out and threw to TO - TO had at least a step on the DB yet Trent underthrew him and it resulted in an INT. PATHETIC!! But OK, it's Roscoe's fault.

Agree - the cupboard is officially bare.

Exactly. Go away Marv

Ya think?

The problem goes further back than Brandon. Marv

Um, he may have wanted to pick up his ring?

Are we this stupid? Look who we put in the White House. A less-than-one-term Senator who, in less than a year, has pursued a mind boggling agenda of apologizing abroad for the US, nationalizing the banks and car companies, tried to nationalize health care, ignored our troops in Afghanistan, hired self-proclaimed Communists and NAMBLA-associated guys as czars, and on and on. I really can't believe this is what Americans truly want but yet this is what we have -all because people fell in love with his personality. So you ask are we really this stupid?

WELL SAID!!!!!

It is not surprising at all that DJ continues to get Marv's support, and not surprising to hear Marv say that DJ was clearly the best choice of the bunch - because DJ was the candidate most like Marv. Marv wanted another Marv - a conservative and cerebral man of fine character. Yes, Marv was looking for another Marv, and found it in DJ. Unfortunately, unlike Marv, the "Mr. Magoo" of the NFL, DJ was not surrounded by mountains of talent, nor an exceptional front office that knows how to make the right moves at the right times. So instead of wandering his way into wins, DJ keeps us stuck in a sea of mediocrity. Yet Marv attempts, even now, to use his waning influence to support DJ. Isn't that just great. Marv had plenty of chances to wow us with his knowledge and know-how - 4 chances on the big stage as a coach, and later as a personnel/organization man with, most likely, something close to full control of the wheel (as close as it was going to get following Donahoe). Marv used that power to bring us DJ, horrible free agent acquisitions (Dockery, Royal, Reyes, and on and on), questionable draft picks and an organization that was not sufficiently prepared, restructured, or groomed to succeed him when he left. I can't recall any changes that Marv made to any of the key positions in our front office. It is not evident to me that Marv made any preparations within the organization to ready for his departure - it seems it was all about filling a hole for a few years (a favor to an old friend) then leaving without a trace. Not exactly the legacy of a football genius. Someone correct me if I am wrong please. The absence of any recent "glory days" for this franchise drives many to continue to worship at Marv's feet. So be it. But for all those who think Marv built or facilitated the careers of Kelly, Smith, Thomas and Reed, I say that it was really the opposite that took place. When you look OBJECTIVELY at what Marv has wrought since his association ended with those players (and Bill Polian making the personnel decisions), the results are clear. Marv's credibility to speak on any topic related to the success of the Bills is nil. Neither the Bills organization nor their roster is currently staffed for another "Mr. Magoo" type coach to have success. When Marv voices support for DJ he is incorrectly analyzing the situation, based on the Magoo paradigm. What is really needed is a major restructuring. Ralph needs to clear the way for another Polian to take charge - but this time he can't luck into it since there is no Polian among the current FO underlings - Ralph needs to go out and buy himself one from another organization. This is not about trashing a legend - I don't begrudge Marv his gold jacket (even though I think he gets way too much credit). It's about looking past the Marv myth that has had this franchise stuck in the mud for a decade. The Jets have Rex Ryan, he of the (former) long hair and big mouth. Do you think Marv would have hired him? Never - instead we get a guy who you'd love to be your neighbor but who you want far from your team's sideline on gameday. But who's in first place and who's in last? Please Marv, spare us your thoughts in support of Dick. It's time to move on and embrace reality.