Seoulofstone
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17 hours ago, John from Riverside said:
If he lasts that far so be it
I was going to predict that Shenault falls to the third! I think his injury history with lack of medicals and visits will put teams off. I mean Metcalf almost dropped to the third last year.
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12 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:
Honestly I might be in the minority but i don’t think newton was ever that good of a QB. Once you take away his athleticism he’s mediocre at best. He’s not a good pocket passer and only puts up good stats against bad teams. No leadership skills and a premadonna attitude to go with it. Was never a Cam Newton fan, especially after he threw some kids computer out the window while at Auburn
Wonder how desperate Doug Moron is down there in Jacksonville lol. He himself has to know that Minshew is not the answer
I think you're very much in the majority but I believe people find it easy to dislike Cam and put down his QB play. Even counting a good (not great) D led by DC McD, he got that team to the SB with a no-name receiving core an average OL and a 15-1 record.
Just 2 years ago he took over a game in Baltimore giving them a beating. He routinely had 300 yard games and dragged the Panthers over the line.
He was a very good franchise QB not in the traditional mold. Funnily, a good equivalent when it comes to putting him down and not accepting his actual achievements is Josh Allen. Of course Newton's persona is much more of a liability than Josh.
The problem here is not just last season. The previous season he missed the last 8 games. Then he made a youtube video where he basically admitted that he lied to staff about how much paIn he was in going into the season. He's destroyed his own credibility.
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The way they handled it he was always going to be cut. Deluded Panthers fans were still telling themselves yesterday that he was worth a 3rd.
His next problem is does he see himself as starter. Because nobody will want the drama he brings, the threat to a current QB, the injury risk or the price tag.
Can he accept back up money? I don't think his ego will accept that fall from grace. I think he will retire.
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12 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:
Also, the team still thought that Cam was coming back so they were balling out. Some members of the team eventually quit. Olsen and some of the other vets were outwardly pissed about it after some of the losses.
Sorry, what were they pissed about? Cam being injured?
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Its funny that they may get more for Kyle Allen than Cam. A 5th is what Calais Campbell cost.
Kyle Allen wasn't liked by many of the Panthers fanbase because he wasn't Newton. I must say this seems a bit unfair to me. In late November in the New Orleans Superdome he brought back the Panthers from 14-0 and 31-18 deficits throwing 3 TDs and 0 interceptions. By no means a terrible QB (though he did have terrible games too). I would rate him worth a 5th, which dare I remind you was the round Peterman was drafted in.
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40 minutes ago, elijah said:
1.) Quinton Spain: 3yrs/$15M is the nicest hometown discount we’ve seen in years. I was adamant about improving the offensive line and unfortunately were sitting still, resigning Spain on such a deal is a solid consolation prize.
2.) Mario Addison: Old and overpaid? I see 39 sacks in 4 years, 11th most in the NFL, on essentially a year-by-year deal. Nearly half of the $30M comes in year one with very little guaranteed after.
3.) Stefon Diggs: Couldn’t put him first because I have to be able to say I had reservations about trading our 1st if it doesn’t workout in hindsight ?
4yrs/$46Mish for a top 15 receiver in the game that addresses our top need, you can’t be upset about that. Diggs should hopefully give our offense another element, although I want more improvement here still.
4.) Butler/Jefferson: Solid depth deals with guys players that the film guys like as much as Phillips and Lawson on cheaper deals than the overpaid Phillips/Lawson, the d-line should be much improved.
5.) Josh Norman: At first it was just a small $3M guaranteed and seemed very low risk-high reward, but now with minimal improvements amongst the offense in FA, this $6M contract will stick out if Norman doesn’t perform up to par.
Without context, this is still a low-risk, high-reward deal that shouldn’t backfire.
6.) AJ Klein: I feel that you could’ve found a linebacker of Klein’s quality in the later rounds of the draft at just a portion of the cost, slight overpay here but McBeane love their locker room guys which Klein is said to be.
7.) Matakevich & Jones: Small contract special teams guys here, can’t not like it but there’s not too much to obsess about. I’m HOPING — and thinking that I’m right — that Beane doesn’t think Taiwan Jones isn’t part of the answer at RB.
I agree with your top 3. I think there is reason to be wary of Diggs but he is a very good player. I wanted a young guy in the rotation though. Butler could have been good value but they overpaid for a reclamation project. I really like what I read about Jefferson. Norman like Diggs could surprise or be a liability.
Its interesting that people are low on Klein. He transformed the NO D when he went there having been stuck behind Kuechly, Davis and Thompson at Carolina.
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Addison, Jeffersen, Diggs, Klein, Norman, Matakevich. Butler, Jones.
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7 minutes ago, Limeaid said:
I would not call Mario Addison $10 m a year reasonably priced.
You don't think that a guy who got 40 sacks in his last 4 seasons is good value at 10 mill? Is that because you don't like the player, or his age, or that you are disappointed he isn't the guy you wanted?
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11 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
this was an offseason where we sign guys not lose guys. Comp picks weren’t a consideration with this cap space
Sorry I was referring to Carolina not Buffalo regarding the comp picks. In the thread that's why some wanted Butler back. I hadn't expected any comps for Buffalo with all that cap space available. They usually come when you're tight to the cap.
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6 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:
One guy said he was one of the only players that played with any fire. We’re you watching different game?
A DT with those numbers don’t seem to back up your non-interest take.
Fans have their favorites. I'm not going to defend the opinions of one guy I don't know. Carolina ended the season with the 7th worst run D in the history of the NFL. How did that 340 lb run stuffer do? Its just my opinion as someone who watched the games. Its fine if you dislike it as someone who didn't. As a whole the D got very high sack numbers but they were a bad D.
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5 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:
Not now, based on your own post of their boards.
Yeah. Recency bias. Also some wanted him back (at a lot less) because they are ruining the comp picks signing scrubs.
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1 minute ago, Bobby Hooks said:
A lot of guys there seem to think he was being underutilized and think McD will get the most out of him.
That's true. He wasn't played partly because RR prioritized vets. But he was a first rounder he had chances on a good D and found himself behind Kyle Love. He just didn't look interested.
Its completely fair to say he may be different here. But that contract doesn't reflect his career in the NFL up til now.
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Before 2019 you could have got this guy for a late round pick. He couldn't break the rotation.
Panthers fans would have died laughing if you told them he would get close to 9 mill total contract never mind guarantees only.
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15 minutes ago, klos63 said:
Was effort an issue?
Yes. He struggled to get snaps. He was pushed off the ball, just looked to be lacking desire and effort. If you look at his build you can see why he was a 1st rounder. Bearing in mind he got a ton of snaps in the second half of last season when Short and Poe were injured and the Panthers had historically bad run D.
On a team with no DTs Carolina didn't want to keep him. That should tell you something. However clearly McB like him and they know what they want. Just telling you what people think of him here in Carolina.
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1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:
nope my issue with Star was the contract only for what he does. He picked it up this year. And you brought up the sack numbers.I'm not talking about you specifically. The general knock on star is his stats. So I am agreeing with you. I brought up Vernons sacks to illustrate that he got play time and affected the box score more than you might expect this year for a guy who was a prime candidate for being cut outright. I am not trying to say that it describes who he is as a player. Rather that it's a false impression. Bottom line, for me he shouldn't come close to that contract based on what I've seen of him.
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2 minutes ago, whatdrought said:
Did you want to resign Shaq, cause that's a pretty similar sentence that could be applied to Shaq.
I didn't. But Shaq was improving. Not sure the same could be said of Vernon. He wasn't popular down here. I think it's a big overpay .
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1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:
do not get concerned about sack numbers from NTsI agree, but weirdly that's the exact knock on star isn't it? I've watched him these last 4 years and his play has been poor. He was a cut candidate until this past season and still played with lethargy
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That's a bad signing. He was abysmal for 3 years then got 5 sacks in his contract year. Former first round pick. Maybe McD can get more effort from him.
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7 minutes ago, H2o said:
He won't go to the Pats I believe for the reasons you stated. It will probably either be LAC or CHI as he fits better within those systems.
Or he may retire. Same problem as Tua. He can't prove fitness with a workout because of coronavirus limitations. Cam is rich and has many interests. No fanbase in football wants him.
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Oof Mariota and Witten. Doesn't exactly scream Vegas! At least they got Littleton.
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42 minutes ago, BuffaloBill963 said:
McDermott should try to get kuechly to I retire lol. Would be awesome
It's fun to imagine, but Kuechly has been a pale shadow of what he was the past two years. He can still read what the offense is doing better than anyone in the game, but, noticeably slower and shy of contact since the concussions Its best for everyone that he's done
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Stupid fact- If Brissett went to Atlanta all 4 NFC South teams would have quarterbacks who's names begin with the letters Br.
I'm bored
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13 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:
With the 22nd pick in the 2020 NFL draft the Bills select Stefon Diggs.
Thats an A grade.
No if you guarantee his production from the past two years it's an A. Even then if he's talking smack and being a cancer it's going to detract from the strong culture developed. Not an insurmountable problem, and that's probably how. McB see it but that would still bring it down to a B. He could underwhelm or not find chemistry with JA. That would be a C/D Or he could refuse to play that would be an F
I hope I am wrong. This would make me very happy.
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I actually think the price reflects his value in terms of production. I know that Vikes stated they didn't want to give him away but I feel like they were running out of options so they will feel like it was the right price but maybe the Bills could have got him cheap. Of course they would have had to wait for that and I see the wisdom in filling a need now.
The curve ball here is if Diggs turns into a prima Donna and immediately starts demanding a new contract. Then it goes from wow Raiders got a steal for AB to man the Steelers fleeced Mayock. Some people are saying it was a Cousins issue not a contract issue. We will see. So really my grade reflects my lack of faith that he's just going to play happily under this contract.
I do think the sweet spot for the big 3 is 10-15 and the Bills couldn't get there. The next wave are top of the second value for me-Mims Jefferson Higgins and the Bills would only have been able to get them at value if they traded back or forwards which is never guaranteed. I do see why they made this deal.
Draft Sleepers
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2883678-2020-nfl-draft-top-sleepers-still-flying-under-the-radar-with-a-month-to-go
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/NFL-Draft-2020-sleepers-KJ-Hill-John-Reid-Jonah-Jackson-Ohio-State-145387553/