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Here it is - THE Nightmare scenario, we miss submitting our pick. 2003 Minnesota Vikings (sorry about format, could not get rid of it) http://www.espn.com/nfldraft/columnist?id=1545117 Slow on trigger, Vikings miss pickBy Len PasquarelliESPN.com NEW YORK -- Justifiable or not -- and there are those on both sides of the fence -- the Minnesota Vikings are catching heat for a second consecutive year, thanks to a botched first-round maneuver. The Vikings were forced on Saturday to make a rare "pass" on their first-round choice, the seventh pick overall, when they were unable to complete a proposed trade with the Baltimore Ravens before the 15-minute time limit lapsed. By taking a "pass," the Vikings delayed their choice, but were permitted to then make it at any ensuing time. But in frenzied flury in the minutes immediately following the Minnesota move, Jacksonville, choosing No. 8 overall, rushed in its card to pick quarterback Byron Leftwich. In lightning time after that, Carolina jumped in to choose offensive tackle Jordon Gross. Minnesota finally exercised its pick at the No. 9 slot, selecting defensive tackle Kevin Williams, one of the fastest-rising players in the lottery

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Sorry to keep posting links in threads, but there is a ton of interesting information about how to build an O-line in this day and age (Written by Bucky Brooks who was a former scout). Its going to be interesting to see what we have with ours come fall. The article below makes a really interesting and relevant point (among others), and maybe one of the reasons the Bills added vets in FA. I personally like bringing in a bunch of vets to compete while continuing to develop some young players (Teller). http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000845643/article/does-nfl-have-offensive-line-problem-plus-jared-goffs-growth "You don't have enough time to develop guys on the field," a veteran offensive line coach who's worked at all levels of the game told me. "Playing on the offensive line requires a lot of reps and you simply don't have enough opportunities to teach them through live contact. Plus, the padded-practice limitations during the regular season make it harder to prepare young players to get ready for the pro game." "Yeah, because they don't get to practice," Arians told reporters. "Offensive linemen and defensive linemen can't get better in shorts. And they're prohibited from going one-on-one. That's all they do for a living. So of course they're going to get worse, because we can't practice. And then only one practice a day in training camp, only one practice a day during the week up until, what, about Week 14? So, it's extremely hard to get young offensive linemen better. Because they don't ever get to practice football. They're not getting any better practicing soccer I suppose you can make this argument about any position, but would tend to agree that the heavy physical contact positions (O and D lines) cannot be really replicated in practice.

https://www.si.com/mmqb/2016/02/24/nfl-draft-combine-offensive-tackles-history Cautionary tale of picking OL early in the draft. Article is from 2016 but still very relevant. "1. Recent history is very ugly. In the past 10 years, there have been five tackles chosen either first or second overall. Above-average starting tackles today among those five: zero."

Ummm......No. I like the take. We need Judge Judy.

Yeah, I never got the "give us your source" folks. Once you give up your source, they are no longer a source. If someone is giving information/insight on a consistent basis and they are just blowing smoke, they will quickly find themselves on the "ignore" list of many (e.g., Dunkirk Don).

Looking back just for comparison, these are most of the notable 2018 FA TE signings and their subsequent production for the year (Sorry for the format). http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000923539/article/2018-nfl-free-agency-key-offseason-signings-for-all-32-teams Trey Burton, TE: Signed a four-year with Chicago, $32 million deal, Garafolo and Rapoport report. G 16 / Rec 54 / Yds 569 / TD 6 Tyler Eifert, TE: Re-signed on a one-year deal with a max value of $8 million with Cincinnati, Pelisse reports. G 4/ Rec 15 / Yds 179 / TD 1 Darren Fells, TE: Signed a three-year with Cleveland, $12 million deal, per Garafolo. G 16 / Rec 11 / Yds 117 / TD 3 Jimmy Graham, TE: Signed a three-year, $30 milion contract that includes $22 million in the first two years with Green Bay, per Rapoport and Pelissero. G 16 / Rec 55 / Yds 636 / TD 2 Eric Ebron, TE: Signed a two-year contract that maxes out at $15 million with incentives with Indianapolis, per Rapoport G 16 / Rec 66 / Yds 750 / TD 13 Virgil Green, TE: Signed a three-year, $8.6 million deal that includes a $2.4 million signing bonus with Chargers, per Over the Cap. G 16 / Rec 19 / Yds 210 / TD 1 Ed Dickson, TE: Signed a three-year, $10.7 million deal with Seattle, according to Over the Cap. G 10/ Rec 12 / Yds 143 / TD 3 Levine Toilolo, TE: Signed a one-year with Detroit, $2 million contract, per Rapoport. Luke Willson, TE: Signed a one-year contract worth $2.5 million with Detroit, according to Rapoport.

Just listened to John Murphy interview him a few minutes ago. He did his research on Buffalo and said Buffalo fans are all in on their team. His exact words were Bills fans are "ride or die" type fans. I was surprised to hear him say that when Dallas wasn't in the playoffs, fans just came to "watch the show" (he said it in a negative connotation).

This has to be acknowledged. I spit up my beer. 90% of the reason I come here. TBD has a wicked sense of humor.

Yes, this is the first game of the entire NFL season where a team “gave up”. We need to take those yards back as we cannot properly compare Zay to all the other WR’s in the NFL.

Seriously though John, we need to do better. 3 throwing TD’s and 2 rushing TD’s from our QB will not cut it when he’s throwing a pick as well. He needs to be better. He was just meh today.

Our #1 WR is an UNDRAFTED ROOKIE. Enough said.

I think it was John Murphy the other day who mentioned that Bill Polian said in this day and age, you don't waste a high round draft pick on offensive line. Interesting take.

Agree 100%. Listen to WGR quite a bit, but as soon as he comes on, I turn it off. XXX - I think Sal is awesome - well balanced and typically does not treat his callers as morons as soon as they utter a word. He will get on some that aren't well prepared, but that's about it. I'd rather have Sal on for 24 hrs. than listen to Mikes drivel. Also - I agree that ex-athletes make a show much more balanced with greater insight. I've listened to Eric Woods when he calls in, would like to see him get a shot.

Flame away, but I would swap a Peterman for a Kelly in an instant.

Hippodrome Casino. Go live it up. Will be rocking until late into the night. Geez - dude asked a question. Help a man out. Let me know what you think.

That's supposed to be Daboll. Not sure how much time you need to give a young coordinator time to adjust to the NFL, but it has to be at least more than one season. Hackett is a good example. The Jags O has been looking really good. It's not like we gave Daboll the keys to the Porsche either - rookie QB, putrid O-line, zero WR's.

Dab - this is an excellent point. I could see some T-shirts at the next home game such as: ”We’re glad our VD is gone” ”Who wants VD anyways”

Yeah - the hell with the arm velocity, who is that breaking wide open on the right and why didn’t he see him..

Sal was just on WGR this morning saying the exact same thing about Darnold - they are not letting him throw anything long whatsoever. Would have to think it's going to be tough sledding for him if they continue this path and teams game plan against it. On another note, Sal also said that he very much liked Dabol's game plan for Allen. Allen missed some wheel routes and other things he should have recognized. Teams are taking away the short stuff on Allen and daring him to throw deeper - thus the fact he has something like the 3rd deepest targets of any QB.

Boo birds out in force against Taylor. He’s missing some easy throws. 2 of 11 at this point.

11 different receivers last game and absolutely no one stands out. Who is going to have the most receiving yards and how much? (Absolutely a copy cat of what will Allens stats be, but interesting as we don’t have a clear cut top receiver) l’m going with a Zay Jones break out game with 134 yards and a TD.

100% agree. We could be talking about Trent Murphy here too. I'm starting to question the Process instead of trusting it.

Yep - can’t pass that up. Ridiculous if we do.

I think a lot of fans were on board with the process but have begun to waiver with good reason. Building a team is an investment. For every player you bring in via draft, FA, or trade, you want to see a positive return on investment. The current regimes track record is less than stellar to date. While I agree that some players could and should develop, the current evaluation of investments does not look so good. Here's just a sampling: Negative return on investment: Star Lotulelei Trent Murphy Corey Coleman Vonte Davis Kelvin Benjamin Zay Jones Tremaine Edmunds others??? Positive Return on Investment: Jordan Poyer Steven Hauschka Micah Hyde others??? Even Money Josh Allen What category would you put the big trades in? Tyrod Taylor Marcel Dareus Sammy Watkins Ronald Darby