The Red King

I'm curious. How much would be too much to pay to move up in your eyes? Or should the Bills give/have given a team ahead of them whatever they demanded without question? You were the one who said the farm had no value without a QB. Careful when dealing in absolutes and abstracts. McBeane can't afford to just say...

We have two groups here on this subject. Group one consists of fans that want a franchise QB, but figure there is a limit to how much you can reasonably trade away to get one. They figure there are still other holes on the team that need filled. Now, where the threshold for "reasonably trade" varies from person to person, but everyone in this group has settled on a ceiling. Group two believes there is no ceiling, that nothing is off limits. The common phrase is "whatever it takes". Two 1st round picks? Fine. All our first and second? Fine. Every 2018 pick? Fine. Every 2018 and 2019 pick? Of course! Every Bills pick this decade? Why not?!? Throw in Shady and White? What part of "whatever it takes" is unclear? If it takes all our 2018, 2019 and 2020 picks and the whole starting D to move up to #2, then that's what we need to do! Whatever it takes. Beane belongs to the former group, and as a result despite the draft not even occuring yet, group two has already declared him an incompitant failure. He has clearly showed he has actually spending limits when he should obviously just be doing what it takes. It's easy. Cleveland tells you what they want for the top pick, you give it to them without batting an eyelash. If he doesn't, he has obviously screwed up and condemned the Bills to hell so blatently that judgement can already be passed pre-draft. ...the draft cannot come fast enough... >.<

Yes, because we all know The Eagles' season ended the minute Foles had to step in. Let's count Super Bowl wins...Rivers and The Chargers...zero. Dilfer and The Ravens...one. Foles and The Eagles...one. Ergo, according to your assertation above, Foles and Dilfer are obviously better QBs then Rivers, right?

Also, isn't that really an utterly pointless Tweet? A backup who had a taste of glory, not only outgunning Brady and winning a Super Bowl, but also winning SB MVP...would...love to be a starter again? Does this shock anyone? Surprise anyone? A backup wants to start, that's...not a rarity in the NFL. Now, if Foles wanted to be a backup, content to step in if needed but far preferred staying on the sideline holding a clipboard...now that would be Tweet-worthy.

This "QB is the only thing that matters" though is really vexing me. Hey guys, remember the early '90s? You know, when the Bills went to four straight Super Bowls? When Jim Kelly single-handedly won the conference year after year with his talent alone, and the other 21 starters were all no-name nobodies that contributed nothing to the team? I mean you just have to look at the Hall of Fame to see the truth. I mean, the only person that mattered, the only person from that team to make it to Canton was Kelly. Because QB is the only position that matters. ...wait... ...um...oh...right. That's not how it happened at all! I swear, the draft cannot get here soon enough.

I think Beene considers him an option. And just that, an option. I believe he also thinks the Eagles are asking a lot more then he's willing to spend to get him. I think Beene is willing to play chicken with the Eagles to see if there is a price drop. If the Eagles blink first, Beene nabs Foles for a bargain that will have us saying "whoa". If they don't blink first, Beene is content to think "oh well" and move on. I have a hunch there is groundwork in place for a possible trade, but Beene wants to see how the start of the draft shakes loose first. He has no idea what the final price tag will be for a trade up to a higher pick and doesn't want to trade away any picks to the Eagles that he'd then wish he had back. If Beene is able to secure the QB he truly wants, great. That will be the end of the Foles talks. If he can't, and he has to settle for a QB he's less sure of, he'll likely still have the draft capital to both nab a different QB in the draft and trade for Foles, giving him a little insurance. If the latter happens, Foles starts, the rookie rides the pine and learns, and we watch Peterman and AJ battle it out. Winner gets the backup spot, loser's gone.

Um...what? I honestly have no idea what you're talking about now. Really, I don't. I cheered for the Bills last year. I'll cheer for them this year, like I have every year since I was a kid. I would take a SB win with anyone under center. That has absolutely nothing to do with your assertion that TT is a great QB simply because (going by your past replies), he was on the first Bills team to make the playoffs this century and QB is the most important position...and nothing more. An assertion I blew out of the water by pointing out that teams have not only made the playoffs, but even won the Super Bowl with mediocre QBs.

Excellent point, thanks. Given how Cinci helped us out last year, my daughter would be thrilled to see them. Moreso then Carolina, I think. Well, one can hope. I just like how the last Kids' Day I went to was affordable, and was hoping for a repeat.

Let's see...we're talking the Browns. You trade up from #4 to #2, take a kicker with #1, punter with #2. ...teasing aside, the answer is completely dependent on how you feel about the QBs. If there is one guy you value well above the rest, you don't mess around, you nab him at #1 and see who's still on the board at #4. If you value several QBs about the same, feel reasonably confident one of them will still be there at #4 and see a non-QB you really want, you might nab them at #1 instead before the Giants potentially swipe them up first.

Are the Bills' still doing Kids Day this season, and if so has the game been announced? I'm guessing it's the Panthers preseason game if past pattern holds, but I hate to assume. I was working during last year's and would like to plan this one a bit more in advance. My daughter would be absolutely thrilled and though my son isn't really a football fan he loves the stadium experience.

It will be hard to top the Kyle Williams offensive TD in terms of sheer awesomeness.

The Bills and Jets were not dealing from position of equality. The Bills could not "match" the Jets, as they did not have the #6 to offer. If the Colts didn't want a QB it's highly likely the player they'd have nabbed at three will still be there at six. If so, the Colts just got all those picks from the Jets effectively for free. Brilliant, and simply not something the Bills could offer. As for the trade itself, the Jets overpayed. They've panicked this offseason, loading up on QBs and trading away their future for yet another one. They're throwing darts at a dartboard and praying something sticks. They overpayed, and during a draft where there isn't a clear cut top QB prospect. They paid too much and pulled the trigger too soon. Beene has a plan, and he's not about to blow all our picks carelessly. Trust the process and don't panic. If you don't like what you see in the draft, then consider panicking. Personally, I'm happy to finally feel like we have a GM who has a plan, rather then just impulse shopping like we have been for a decade or two.

It just occurred to me that the Jags will be playing all three of their playoff opponents this upcoming season (Bills, Steelers, Pats). And then it gets weirder. The home/away flips for all three opponents, with the Jags coming to Buffalo while hosting NE and Pitt...the opposite of the playoff game locations for all three games. They almost, almost completed the weirdness trifecta with the timing of the games. The Jags played Buf, followed by Pitt and NE in the playoffs. They then invert things in 2018, playing Pitt in Week 11, followed immediately by Buf in Week 12. Had they played the Pats Week 10 (instead of 2), I would have started to suspect Illuminati involvement. >.>

Not sure I agree, but that just comes down to differing opinions. What is the % chance of a bad snap vs the % chance of the opposing team getting a return that puts them in field goal range (or the endzone)? Bad snaps are rarer then good runbacks.

Clutch is a very real thing. Different people behave differently when the pressure ramps up. There is a reason bowling teams don't always put their most talented bowler last. They put the teammate they think will respond the best to pressure with the game on the line. Remember the glory days, "Nobody circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills!"? Clutch.

Yeah, just looked it up as well. I'll admit I was mistaken, deleted my reply. I blame old age, or trauma. ;-) Joking aside, it was only 3rd down. They could have taken it down to two seconds before kicking and chose not to. Came back to bite them.

Calling a time out with three seconds left on the clock instead of two before kicking the FG, allowing one second for the Miracle to occur is not "coaching a great game".

Where did I say I hated him? Reread my replies in this thread. He is the baseline for average and was a good fit for the team until they finally outgrew him last season. I'm grateful to him for his contributions to the team, but the Bills finally need more out of the QB position then he can provide. I have stated I think the trade will work out for the best for both teams and TT. I've also noted that I think he will do good things for Cleveland. Just because I don't think he is a playoff calibur QB does not mean I hate the guy. ...and by your logic Dilfer is an elite QB, because he was the QB of a Super Bowl Champion. Same with Foles. Again, logic doesn't work that way.

A true classic. Wilder played that scene perfectly. Calm on the surface, but through expression alone you knew that he already figured out what happened and he was only just keeping his cool by the skin of his teeth. Brilliant. ...Abby Normal. Wasn't that a past Bills GM?

Likely. We are picking on the OP because his thread title listed his prediction as an absolute certainty.

Hmm, earlier I said... ...I stand corrected. Apparently at least one person does...

Come now, it's pretty obvious the top five spots your glasses could be are already set.

Thing is, we were desperate for a franchise QB. And while many people debated the coach's decision to start RJ for the Titans game, nobody blamed RJ for losing it. That was on the coach for taking the time out at three seconds instead of two, leaving one on the clock...and on the special teams who had one job (let him return it anywhere, even the one-yard line...anywhere but the end zone). As a result, people wanted to believe in RJ. People wanted him to succeed, to be the franchise QB we desperately needed. A lot of fans were willing to overlook his flaws and shortcomings at first because of that desperate desire. But in the end, RJ just didn't get it done. It was not Flutie's fault he didn't succeed in Buffalo, it was his. Young grew up in Montana's shadow and outgrew it. Rodgers grew up in Farve's shadow and outgrew it. Brady grew up in Bledsoe's shadow and outgrew it. RJ might have been in Flutie's shadow, but he had ample opportunity to outgrow it. Unlike the examples mentioned above, who outgrew better QBs then Flutie, RJ failed. That's on him.

Sooo...you have inside knowledge and every mock draft confirms that with absolute certainty that these will be the first five picks? You are saying there is no chance whatsoever that any of the top five picks will differ at all from this? Bold claim. And if you're wrong about even one of them will you then return to this thread, apologize, and explain how the knowledge you claim as infallible was wrong? ...I really hate thread title absolutes. The draft can't get here quick enough... >.<

You're likely right. Honestly, at the start of the season I figured NE would try and eek out one more SB win and Belli and Brady would ride off into the sunset. Then Jimmy G got traded and that theory went out the window.