The Red King

Does that even matter if the targets aren't thrown at in the first place?

Alright, that makes a lot more sense.

Ugh. What's next? 15 yards for stepping in already existing footprints in the snow?

The signpost ahead..."Thread merge incoming"...

Hmm, from 0-16 to playoffs in one year, stated as absolute, this is 100% going to happen, fact instead of "I believe...". So...should your pred...wait, this isn't a prediction...should your guarantee fail to come true, will you still be here, apologizing for making such an outlandish claim? Browns will make the playoffs, Bills will be absolute worst in the league in both turnovers and points allowed. I have your guarantee correct, don't I? ...or, are you psychic and already saw this outcome? In which case, what are this weekend's winning lottery numbers? ...how long until training camp again? Posts like this, people posting their opinion as if it were fact is really wearing me down.

Can we see him in our scheme, with our personell for a season before deciding if we overpayed?

In the end, regardless of how TT does in Cleveland, the sad truth is...he would not have done well in Buffalo this season. Different people will place blame in different places, some on the Bills, some on Tyrod, some on both. Regardless, most all of us agree Tyrod wouldn't do well were he still here, so I don't think people will say we should have kept him, even if he somehow excells in Cleveland. Despite who you blame, Tyrod, the Bills and the Browns are better off from the trade. TT is a Brown, time to move on.

Keep in mind with TT under center opposing defenses stacked the box hard, limiting McCoy's opportunities. This season with a QB willing to throw deep, Shady should have a little manuevering room.

Buffalo recognizes character and culture as valuable assets. Kap would be the antithesis to that, a distraction. Buffalo has moved other players that don't display the character they want. Laugh if you will, but that blue-collar, band-of-brothers attitude is part of what helped propel them into a playoff birth.

Wow...that's wild then. A lucky coincidence for the Bills. Timing, huh?

I think the only reason Bills went with red in the Hoth game was maximum visibility in the blizzard.

Much higher chance at injury in the NFL. Players break easily, it's hard to even transition from college to pros. NFL owners don't want to wear down their players before they even take an NFL snap. Imagine if Rosen had to play AAA ball...just one solid shot to the head and he might not even ever suit up as a Card.

What double-standard? Tyrod didn't get 100 tries against the Jags. He got one. The Bills knew it would take a miracle for TT to win a playoff game, so they tried Peterman just in case. The difference here that renders your assertion irrelevant was...the Chargers game was not a playoff game. If Buffalo (and Peterman) lost badly (and they did), the Bills could still put Tyrod back in for the rest of the season. They do that, they still have a shot at the playoffs...and giving TT a shot in a playoff game...all of which still happened (with TT laying an egg and validating the staff's assessment of him). So no, there was absolutely no double-standard there. Regular Season vs. Playoffs, apples and oranges. If they just up and threw Peterman in against JAX ala Rob Johnson, then you could claim double-standard. And I would have considered that just as foolish a move as starting Rob was.

Even if it was a 1-in-a-100 chance, they figured it was worth taking. The team was in a death spiral, and say what you will, the team did pull out of it the following game. I'll still firmly hold to it being a two-fold benefit. Find out what you got going into the off-season, and taking the chance, because they knew TT wasn't going to win a playoff game (prophetic, give TT's performance in JAX) and figuring even a long shot was better then no shot. One game may not have been enough to fully evaluate Peterman, but I'd wager if he even played half-decently he'd have gotten the start at KC. It's just, they rolled the dice and got snake eyes. They then decided Peterman wasn't ready yet and at that point was not going to be an upgrade over TT...so they instead decided to just throw TT back in and take their chances.

There are a number of people who think Tyrod would have excelled here had Buffalo kept him and instead of Allen instead picked up some receivers...and those people insist Buffalo should have done just that. And you, yourself, note there are people here that claim he sucks. My post was simply frustration at getting blasted by both groups because I have a middle-ground view of him. Also, the Bills did not start Peterman because they thought he was better then TT. They started him because the team was in a tailspin and they thought Peterman might be better. They knew TT wasn't the long-term answer, and wanted to see what Peterman could do. They knew they had a decision to make in the offseason. And they wanted a good look at Peterman going into it. How many "Make Peterman the starter and don't draft a QB!" threads were there this offseason? Zero. How many would there have been had Peterman not gotten a start (aside from the Hoth game, which he looked good in)? They knew what TT could do, and knew it wouldn't be enough to win a playoff game. They didn't know what Peterman could do, and decided it was worth at least checking. At no point did they think Peterman was better. They simply didn't know, and I hate the mistaken assertion some make that think they did indeed believe that.

Problem with the media is...it's not about putting out the best quality, it's about getting the most reads/clicks. That's why there are always one or two outragious placements in Power Rankings...just to get people fired up so they get ten-twenty pages of replies. The media doesn't care if you like their content, they just care if you keep reading it. Sully's column may have become a bit dry, one note...but people kept reading, and that was what mattered. The fact that many read it just to rampage and critisize it is irrelevant...they read it, and that's what mattered. Or, to quote Captain Sparrow, "But you have heard of me!"

I wouldn't expect this, but wouldn't completely rule it out. Beane has been making smart moves, and let's be honest, some real steals (waiting until the FA feeding frenzy was over then picking up AJ for a bag of footballs for example). Odds are, he'll give them an offer they're not crazy about and wait. Either Atlanta gives in to Julio, or they eventually buckle and accept Buffalo's offer. And the key to this is...Beane won't budge, and if that costs them Julio, ah well. And Atlanta will know that.

News flash: The way to avoid reading about Tyrod is to simply avoid clicking on threads with Tyrod in the title. That actually takes less effort then posting.

It doesn't have to be one or the other. Good lord. I am getting sick of TT supporters thinking that anyone who doesn't support him must think he's terrible. And I'm sick of TT detractors thinking anyone who says he isn't terrible believes he's an outstanding QB. There is a middle ground and some people, like me, are there. I think Tyrod has his positives and negatives. I think he was a good QB for the Bills, but it was obvious last season the team finally outgrew him. They finally needed more then he could provide. I think he is a perfect fit in Cleveland right now. His ability to not make mistakes provides a stability that, for the Browns, outweighs Tyrod's inability/unwillingness to throw deep. Tyrod can take them to 4-6 wins which, after 1-15 and 0-16 would be quite well received. By the time the team outgrows Tyrod, Mayfield will be ready to go. I am just sick of the "If yer not for us, yer 'gainst us!" attitude here. Not everyone is a TT supporter or detractor.

...thanks, I needed a laugh this morning. Hmm, yes, the defense was terrible the last half of the season. I mean, they gave up a whole 10 points to the Jags in their own stadium and...oh...wait...maybe they weren't terrible the second half. Maybe they had a bad three-game stretch. And right there I knew that article was pure rubbish. Declaring with certainty our QB situation will be worse makes their adoration of Tyrod pretty clear...so this is another case of giving TT far too much credit for last season. Could they take a step back? Certainly. Worst in the league? Not even close. In other words, the writer is a twit, the article is click-bait, and his prediction is going to be placed up there with other gems of infinite wisdom like Rodak's infamous "The Bills' season is over before it started" from last year. ...how long until the season starts? Not sure how much more of this idiocy I can take... >.<

People are getting tired of the TT debate, especially since we're long past the point where anyone is going to convince anyone else. So, when another TT thread pops up, some people are quick to groan and complain. With that being said, I happen to think this is a very good post, bringing a lot to the table that hasn't been seen to date. So, while my first impression was "Another TT post? Ugh.", I'm actually glad the OP posted this.

You deal too much in absolutes. Where did I say Buffalo had a good receiver corp? Where did I say they were open every play...or most plays...or half the plays? But the fact is, there were still a number of plays he had open receivers and never pulled the trigger. With this corp of receivers I could wholley understand being cautious...but Tyrod took that too far. Your reply makes it clear though, that you really didn't read what I typed. Rather, you skimmed it, decided I was a Tyrod detractor, and reacted accordingly. What you claimed I said/believed was utterly and completely false. Please read my replies fully going forward. Thank you.

Well, dayum. Check and mate, if this is legit.

...yeah, yeah, slow news day around here, but after seeing the Pats logo I got to recalling how they pretty much stole the Bills uniform. I mean, prior to the SB years, the Pats were in these... Then came their current unis, which were a completely blatant rip-off of the then-dominant Bills unis... Alright, the new ones have a patriot head...that's about all that's still in common. Blue jerseys like the Bills...check. White pants like the Bills...check. Logo with a streak...check. Hell...a blue logo with a red streak...just like the Bills...check. Why is the disembodied Patriot head even streaking? That's a buffalo charge thing...are people frequently drawn streaking? I mean I suppose to their credit they at least didn't go with a red helmet, but damn that is some pretty blatant copying. I'm surprised they got away with it, especially since the Bills were in their division. It's not like they ripped off a NFC team or such. They changed unis, copied the unis of a winning team in an effort to reverse their fortunes...and ironically succeeded. Now this isn't a big deal, I'm not mad about it, raging, losing sleep or anything over it. It just...mildly irritates me now and then and wondered if any of you felt the same.

Isn't it refreshing to have a GM and coach that will actually speak their minds and call people out if need be? I mean...I still get shivers when I think back on Jauron's lifeless/emotionless press conferences! ?