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Cleveland is saying no. They would probably honestly laugh. Why would they be throwing picks into a trade down especially a high second-rounder? Yes they could still get Allen at 2 but there is absolutely no guarantee that Chubb would be there at 6. They could probably get much higher value trading 4 outright.

There was only one other trade into the top two that didn't add at least 120% value and that was the trade from 3 to 2 last year. No chance that Cleveland does not get a huge return while giving up 1 & 4. Adding a random 4th rounder is worth next to nothing. I like the creativity and understand that this is a Bills' board so they are going to get the best deal, but none of these trades have any chance of actually happening at the values shown. Cleveland is not moving out of the first pick to break even or anywhere near even.

Cleveland. Pick 22 and 65 to move down from 1 and 4 and give up 35?

What are the point values from the St.Louis Washington trade from 2012?

I think 12 and 22 is fair for 6, and 6 and a 2019 1st is over paying for 4, but no way is Cleveland giving up 1. A team who hasn't had a franchise QB for 25 years can't pass on the top guy on their board. It would be beyond stupid. And teams get desperate for QB, so anything is possible. Washington traded the 6th overall, plus 2 more 1sts and a 2nd for #2 and RG3. Buffalo is moving up a lot further from 12.

ESPN Cleveland just floated a rumor of 12 and 22 to Indy for 6, then 6 and 2019 1st for Cleveland's 4th overall.

It also is a common reaction when presented with something so ridiculous that there is no other response.

I asked nicely!

Tre'Davious White please.

No way Cleveland moves down from 1 and 4 to pick up 2, 12, and a couple 2nds. That makes zero sense. The Jets gave up 3 2nds to move up 3 spots, and 1 is pick 37. Cleveland drop 1 and 8 spots at the top of the 1st round for 53 and a 2 next year. Dumbest trade ever.

Bitonio, when healthy like he was last year, is a top 10 guard, probably pushing top 5. Ziegler is great too. They are both better than Incognito, especially in his current state. Incognito is a better deal in regards to how cheap his contract is, but he is also 34.

Browns wouldn't be interested. Bitonio and Zeitler are both better than Incognito.

You have Buffalo moving from 12 to 1 for two 1sts, two 2nds, and a third, but you have Cleveland moving from 4 to 2 for a first and two seconds and a 3rd, and Cleveland's 1st is 8 picks higher and their 2nd is 18 picks higher. And like I said, why would Cleveland do a deal where they essentially break even? You are making Buffalo's move a lot cheaper than Cleveland's. Cleveland should expect that type of trade for the number 4, not for the number 1.

Even by your point total, Cleveland basically breaks even. No one trades out of the 1st pick to break even, and then essentially trade down from 4 too. If they go from 1st and 4th to 2, 12, and 22 and lose 35, they better be getting a huge ransom back. 1st and 2nd next year, and more.

Dez Bryant is average at best, and Jeffery isn't elite by any means.

That is current year. Picks from next year aren't worth as much, generally a 2nd is worth a 1st the following year, not 2 2nds and a 3rd. Pick 33 is hugely valuable in trades now that there is a gap between rounds. It alone would be worth more than that trade. Teams have players that fall and plenty of time to negotiate trades.

Collins is a LB and Nassib is pretty bad. There is talk of Ogbah at DT if Chubb is the pick, and we drafted 2 DTs last year in Ogunjobi and Brantley who were pretty good. Also had Coley who started and was pretty good. I'd rather have Barkley, but I'd be ok with Chubb. I'd be ok with a trade for 12, 22, and next year's 1 too because I think we could still end up with Ward, Fitzpatrick, Payne, or Edmunds, and then use 64 with 22 to move up again and grab another top level player. 3 top 15 or so picks would be huge, and still have 33 and 35 along with 2 1sts next year.

Not with a top QB on the board. Not with Buffalo's need. Not even close.

It'll cost more than a 2nd and a 4th to move up. QB premium.

You completely made this up.

I think he goes to NE at 31.

You have Cleveland taking 1st and 2nd round safeties when they took a 1st round SS last year and traded for a FS this off-season.

Cleveland doesn't need quantity of picks. They have 5 of the first 64 picks. If they trade down, they better make whoever it is overpay. I don't drop from 4 to 12 without 12 and 22, and probably more, or at least 12, 53, and 1 next year.

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Maybe at 4. They are drafting a QB at 1.