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Collins is a LB and Nassib is pretty bad. There is talk of Ogbah at DT if Chubb is the pick, and we drafted 2 DTs last year in Ogunjobi and Brantley who were pretty good. Also had Coley who started and was pretty good. I'd rather have Barkley, but I'd be ok with Chubb. I'd be ok with a trade for 12, 22, and next year's 1 too because I think we could still end up with Ward, Fitzpatrick, Payne, or Edmunds, and then use 64 with 22 to move up again and grab another top level player. 3 top 15 or so picks would be huge, and still have 33 and 35 along with 2 1sts next year.

Not with a top QB on the board. Not with Buffalo's need. Not even close.

It'll cost more than a 2nd and a 4th to move up. QB premium.

You completely made this up.

I think he goes to NE at 31.

You have Cleveland taking 1st and 2nd round safeties when they took a 1st round SS last year and traded for a FS this off-season.

Cleveland doesn't need quantity of picks. They have 5 of the first 64 picks. If they trade down, they better make whoever it is overpay. I don't drop from 4 to 12 without 12 and 22, and probably more, or at least 12, 53, and 1 next year.

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Maybe at 4. They are drafting a QB at 1.

It would take 12, 22, 53, 56, and next year's 1st to start the conversation for #1.

There are quotes from Dorsey who has said they are willing to listen. It's his job to at least listen, but he can't pass on another franchise QB. If he trades out of 1 and ends up with the 4th QB, people will be calling for his job that day. Cleveland has been looking for the franchise guy since Kosar. They have the chance to get him this year.

Because it isn't happening. Cleveland HAS to get the QB position right. No better way to do that than taking the best QB in the draft at 1. Trade down at 4 for the right offer.

No way you straight up trade #4 for Beckham and then have to pay him $18 million. Cleveland would be dumb. They traded a 4th and 7th for Landry. He is worth more than that, but he is also due a new contract so the trade price goes down. Beckham is a major headache, and he's hurt a lot.

QB premium to trade up. No chance it doesn't include 12, 22, and more, or 12, a 2nd, and next year's 1st.

Have you seen Kessler or Hogan play?

Cleveland's backups are currently Cody Kessler and Kevin Hogan. Now it is Drew Stanton. Depth chart of Taylor, Stanton, Darnold ensures Darnold gets some time to develop. Darnold is better than Kessler and Hogan right now, and probably Stanton too, but this gives the option of not rushing him, plus gives a backup QB next year if Taylor is gone.

Cleveland has #64 from Philadelphia too. Crowell is gone but we signed Carlos Hyde.

The debate that year was Rodgers or Smith at #1. When the 49ers took Smith, Rodgers fell. You are right, he wasn't expected to get out of the top 5 though.

Believe me, I've suffered through the last couple years. Take a QB at one, and be open at 4. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/12/jimmy_haslam_says_john_dorseys.html

Haslam told Dorsey his #1 priority is to find THE QB. No GM is ever going to say they aren't open to a trade, but it would take the world. They can't afford to pass on another franchise guy.

You do know they swapped out the entire FO right? The previous FO probably would have a price to trade down from 1 because analytics say that is the best option, but football sense says without a QB it doesn't mean much. I think they would be open at 4, but not at 1.

My trade price as the Browns would be 12, 22, 53, 56, a 1st next year, and Tre'Davious White. Won't happen, but I'd consider it at least.

No chance Cleveland drops out of contention for Barkley or Chubb for essentially 2 2nd rounders. The drop from 4 to 12 takes more than that, especially given the QB premium. The Jets gave up more to move up 2 spots.