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I came to the team website board in like 2007 when the Browns played Buffalo and stuck around there for a while, then came here after that. So no, it's basically this board and a Browns board that I semi frequent. This board seems to be more active and have more football discussion than most others.

Why would you add when 42 went to the Jets and 74 went to Cleveland?

The Jets moved up in picks, but they swapped very similar WRs. Main difference being that Hardman is going to cost A LOT more than Moore.

Cleveland needed a slot receiver, and Moore had been a slot receiver until the Jets made him an outside receiver for whatever reason. Pretty decent trade with the 3rd coming back.

A 2nd in 2035 maybe.

Fields is 2 years in and was decent last year. Goff has been to the SB. Neither are superstars, but it's way too early to say they can't especially Fields.

Schoonmaker was the starter this year at Michigan for a majority of the year. All didn't play much at all. But yes, Schoonmaker is very good and reliable. Won't ever be Gronk or Kelce, but he can be a very solid TE who is a good blocker and receiver.

The original post I responded to said that they were both controllable for 5 years. And they're not. Not anymore, and Oliver is only 1 year. So his value isn't much. At least Jeudy is 2 years.

They were controllable for 5 years when they were drafted, yes, but not at this point.

Neither have 5 years in their contacts.

I know he didn't play well last year, and he may continue down that path, but I think it is much more likely that he packed it in last year and really didn't care. That's not good either, but he didn't suddenly lose the ability to play, I think he lost the will to play in GB anymore.

Hunt is different than Chubb. Chubb, as powerful as he is, is a cut and go. He avoids the 1st tackle or 2 and then plows through people. Hunt is straight ahead full speed. Not nearly as good as Chubb, but he is very good. Much better than Singletary in my opinion. And Hunt is a very good receiver as well.

That, and why would they want the 1st next year seeing as the draft is in a month.

The dude won MVP barely a year ago.

1 pm I believe.

He'd retire before going back to GB.

Obviously over the course of the next five years he's going to go downhill at some point. That doesn't mean after one down year he's suddenly gonna continue to be what he was last year. That's why I had said in the previous post that long term obviously it's Allen over him but next year could be a toss up.

They just win the Super Bowl and somehow the Bengals are more of a problem than the Chiefs? Plus, rumor of Tunsil to KC as a possibility. That would keep Taylor at RT.

I would agree more if it wasn't for the fact that Rodgers has been pissed at GB for a couple years, and last year it seemed to come to a head. I may be wrong, but I don't see much of a chance of him dropping off that much 1 year to the next, 39 or not.

Yes. Rodgers had 1 down year. He had won 2 straight MVPs before that, and 4 total. Obviously long term, Allen > Rodgers. If Rodgers continues downhill, then obviously Allen > Rodgers. But Rodgers was a top 2-3 QB in the NFL for 12+ years. 1 down disgruntled year doesn't guarantee he is suddenly trash. I could see Rodgers playing lights out next year just to prove the Packers wrong.

I can give you possibly Allen > Rodgers, with even that being debatable, but who else is better in the East?

Signing bonus, yes, they can ask for the money back. But I am pretty sure salary that was converted to a bonus they can't, especially if it was guaranteed salary.

If the player retires, it accelerates any bonus money amount to the immediate year. So yeah, you could add $5M a year for 20 years to spread it out, but when the player retires after 10, you'd get $50M upfront onto your cap.

When you covert salary into a bonus, it spreads the bonus out evenly over the remaining years, plus over any added years. So if you convert $30M into a bonus, and you have 4 years remaining, it would lower the 1st year by $22.5M, but add $7.5M to the other 3 years.

People keep saying its a mediocre QB class, and I don't disagree fully, but how many truly "great" QB classes are there? 2020, and then maybe 2017. Before 2017, I can't find a "great" class in years. All it takes is for Carolina to now select 1 great QB and it doesn't matter. This year was supposed to be the "great" QB class with Young, Stroud, Levis, etc. coming into the year.