Lieutenant Aldo Raine

No argument there

or perhaps he's giving a clinic to his WRs who were 2nd in the NFL in DROPS!!!

Someone have a Molotov cocktail handy; because this idea needs to be set on FIRE!

Ferguson and Fouts, two posters on my wall as a kid.

Right on cue!

Same here

Ryan Leaf no doubt for me. I thought he had it all, NOPE!

Well, after this year you can gloat since you are so sure of yourself.

I hear ya, it’s mind numbing

Freaking forget it. I’m not making it a rags to to riches, just simply pointing out he had been told he doesn’t belong at every level, yet here he is. I’m not saying he’s anymore special than anyone else, just that his motivation to be great comes from that experience.

You don't think is background and character has anything to do with this? What drives you, where did it come from? Your parents, upbringing, experiences?

The point is not for you to like or care about his story, but to understand it and know what drives him. The guy has been told he doesn't belong at each level, yet has persevered; that's all I was trying to convey...his internal drive. Some people think its baloney, some people can relate to it, others don't care about it. It is what it is.

Like I said, people have different motivations and are derived from different situations. You're not interested in it, therefore you think it's baloney. That's your call.

Thanks for proving my point!

People have different motivations, it's what drives them. You have your own personal motivations for what ever you do? Nobody knows what Brady's motivations were or are? Perhaps early on it was because he was a 6th round pick, maybe later it was something else. If you think all that is baloney, that's on you, but these are some of the core principles, in additional to talent, Beane and McDermott use to build this roster.

I think it's about both, where they came from and where they are going. Character, desire, motivation has a lot to do with it. Talent can only get you so far.

You can call it story, but it's real life. He's been shunned at JUCO, at D1, and now at the NFL and by many of is own fan base. He took a crappy 2 win Wyoming team to two straight bowl games in his two years as starter, and took the Bills to the playoffs in his second season. That is production, may not be all fancy and glossy with bright lights and stats, but he produces; it's just not as flashy. Like I said, you dont' know nor care to even know him and how he got to where hes' at. That's real life, that's character, and that resilience is what will hopefully make him successful whether you buy into what's in person's character or not.

I did allude your mind was made up about Allen at first and you slowly came around. You just admitted to the fact. I remember reading many of your posts, and early on you clearly doubted Allen. I never alluded that you still hold that sentiment, I clearly stated that you have changed your mind on him some. All @GoBills08 alluded to, was the fact that some people still hold the same preconception, and you called it nonsense.

Of course no will say that now, but let me ask you this? If he were to flounder, how many of you would be "I told you so, he sucks", "I have been saying it for three years". That's called rejoicing when he flounders, and there are plenty in here who would be doing that, and perhaps deservedly so. I guess I'm more invested in the kid because I want to see him succeed and because many of us see the potential in what he could become.

Okay @Bangarang. I'm a troll because you and your 11000 posts said so. I've been around long enough to know you too doubted Josh before you slowly came around. I've read your posts, and back then you had your mind made up just as @GoBills808 stated, but then you started to change your mind. Since you also want to bring the discussion down and call me a troll, perhaps you should become a moderator and then you CAN CONTROL everyone's opinions.

I am not arguing your stats and criticism thereof. However, you never seem to account for his all-purpose yards and TDs, because let me let you in on something...Yards = Yards. You never mention how in short yardage, it's almost a gimme; you never seem to credit the 4th QTR and game winning drives in a short career so far; you hardly criticize Oline play for the mindless penalties putting us into long field position, you never seem to credit when you are in third and long, we at least have a better chance at converting; you never seem to credit leadership, accountability. Lastly, as with many of you doubters, you don't know his story. He has been doubted his entire life, yet here he is. Maybe he will finally flounder at this level so you all can rejoice in your criticism. With who Allen had last year, where was he going to get his mythical 300 yards from? Beasley has a career average of 34 yards per game (he averaged 51 with Allen last year); John Brown has a career average of 49 yards per game (he averaged 70 with Allen last year). So if we are lucky, on a good day together they would average 150 yds. We need more production from other players such as TEs and RBs. So while yes his numbers aren't up to par per say, let's not act like his weapons are superior.

I'm a troll if I rebuttal all the doubters; they should just be allowed to spit their criticisms about Josh Allen without any kind of retort? Okay, aren't you the one who just said that's what this place is for? Let me guess, your 11,000 posts gives you authority around these parts? @jrober38 is a constant critic of Josh Allen, some warranted and some just plain ol whining. I've engaged with him many times, this is hardly the first time.

Like I said, whine all you want on this board...get it off your chest. I enjoy poking back at all you doubters.

Clearly!

You forgot to caveat this by saying, "as a fan" unless you are secretly Brandon Beane. Because that's all you and the rest of us are...FANS!!!! Bit** and moan all you want about the QB or any other players, you have NO SAY in their future good or bad.