Inigo Montoya

Josh's injury was not one that would be worsened by him playing according to the reports, it was a pain tolerance issue. Tua's brain on the other hand.....

The majority of their fanbase has grown up, lived their entire lives, with championship teams and they just believe that is the natural order of the universe. They just can not fathom that the the lowly Bills could be better than their beloved Patriots. It forces them to call into question their entire world view. It will be hard for them, they will fight it and try to resist, but after another five seasons of getting destroyed by Josh Allen, they will finally accept the truth... the truth that they suck. I wish all those wonderful Patriot fans Godspeed in that journey, because as we all know, acceptance is the first step towards healing...

Beane runs such a tight ship that the CIA is jealous. It's Beane's style to keep things close to the vest. Who even thought we we're in the Von Miller sweepstakes?

I've read the Josh Green Bay concussion thing a couple times today in different threads and it is honestly the first time I've heard that. What play did it happen on and was there any discussion about it after the game? Josh played at a high level that game and took care of GB handily.

It's become a bit of a cliché when McDermott says to come to the Bills to be the best version of yourself. And when you hear multiple Bills players talk about how tight the players and coaches are in Buffalo, that they're like family, you can be tempted to dismiss it because you hear that from other locker rooms around the league too. A lot of franchises talk the talk about being a "family" but their actions show something completely different when it comes down to crunch time. An easy example of a franchise saying one thing and doing the opposite is the recent Tua fiasco in Miami. McDaniels got up on national TV and said that he had no idea Tua was hurt in the Buffalo game and he would never put a player on the field who was at risk. That's not what he's about. He was lying. Everyone in the Phins locker room knew he was lying. Every player in the NFL knew he was lying. The video spoke for itself. The message was clear, in a pinch, the Phins will risk any player's career for a win. At the end of the day, the player is expendable if that sacrifice will benefit the coach's career in Miami. Even the franchise QB. Now contrast that with how the Bills are handling Tre White and Von Miller. Tre has been brought back slowly and gently eased back onto the field. He only played two series last week against the Lions and played about 65% of the snaps this week. Most franchises wouldn't do it that way. They would tell their multi-million dollar DB that as soon as he is cleared to play medically they want him back on the field. Not in Buffalo. Von Miller is another example of how to do it right. Von comes out and says that he can play through the injury and he'll be back in a couple of weeks. The next morning Beane places him on short term IR so he can fully heal. You can make the argument that Beane and McDermott are just being "big picture smart" letting Tre come along slowly and forcing Von off the field so he can get right for the playoff push, but I think there is more to it than that. I think they genuinely care about the players in that locker room and their actions show it. Most importantly, Bills players see that and other players around the league see that. I think players are beginning to look at Buffalo like they used to look at Seattle as being a player friendly destination and that can only help the team going forward. That perception could be a factor in landing a free agent wide receiver who is coming off of an ACL injury too.

Most Pats fans are still under the delusion that their franchise is relevant and a destination for free agents. They have the worst of both worlds now. In years past, great free agents would come in and tolerate Belichick being a jerk because they were likely to win a ring with Tom there. Now they still have Bill being a jerk and no chance at a ring. It will take a few more years of losing for the realization to sink in that they simply are not the center of the NFL universe anymore.

I would prefer that too but OBJ is going to want as much guaranteed money as he an get and that means a long term deal. He's already had two ACL injuries and knows that his career can be over in an instant with another one. He'll want to back the truck up to the bank one more time. I think Jerry is more likely to write a big check than Beane is. I'd bet he ends up in Dallas. I just don't want a surprise KC signing.

He didn't notice the "pick six" that NE dropped. Neither did I. He did throw a ball to Diggs into double coverage that should have been picked. I don't think it would have been a pick six though. One thing he did notice was defensive ends and LBs getting free rushes at Josh all night and hammering him. He also noticed a long touchdown to Diggs get taken off the board on a blatant hold by a backup TE. He also noticed a ball bounce off Diggs hands that would have been a 1st down on a 3rd and 11. Why do you think Josh has struggled the last few games? He has had bad o-line play, a #2 WR who has disappeared, a TE #1 who is on a milk carton, and slot receivers who have have been hit and miss, and a lot more miss than hit. When Josh has to do everything sometimes it is going to look ugly. Sometimes he is going to have to push. Put any other QB in that situation and there is no way they win all three of those games. I agree with you and Gunner Bill that the Bills played better around him last night. The run game was really clicking. There were some good things that happened last night, more so than in the preceding two games. Let's hope that continues. Let's hope the players around Josh can continue to elevate their play to match his.

My 25 year old son made an observation last night during the game that rang true to me. He said that "players on offense keep taking turns letting Josh down." Between drops by the WRs, stupid penalties, and shoddy pass blocking Allen is forced on nearly every series to overcome some mistake by one of his teammates to get a first down and score some points. He pulls a rabbit out of his hat so often that we just come to expect it and are upset when it doesn't happen. That TD play to Gabe was ridiculous. His ability to move around in the pocket and compensate for the bad pass blocking last night was incredible. It was great to see the running game have success against a good defense last night. Allen needs someone to step up besides Diggs, and even Diggs has had some drops the last two weeks that are uncommon for him. Hopefully they can continue to build on the run game and keep getting healthy on defense so Josh doesn't have to turn water into wine every game. This team starts and ends with Josh Allen. There isn't another player in the NFL who is asked to do as much as he is, and he keeps finding ways to do it. It's exciting to watch but is definitely not a recipe for long term success.

Most of those showed up just to check out Ciara.

Lamar's tweet literally made me laugh out loud! Two things, 1. He never should have posted that for a hundred different reasons that I don't need to explain. 2. Every football player in the NFL loves Lamar Jackson even more this morning. You know they have to read the crap that a bunch of us arm chair warriors post about them everyday and they want so much to respond, but they don't do it. Well, Lamar did it. 😀

Based on my evaluation of the injury from my Barcalounger at the house yesterday, I believe that Von has injured his "leg bone" which we all know is connected to both his "hip bone" and his "foot bone." I suffered this same injury while playing full contact tiddlywinks in 1987 when I was a student athlete on full scholarship at the prestigious University of Beijing Polytechnic Online. Thank God I have a high pain tolerance and was able to control my unrelenting agony with just some black tar heroin and Tiger Balm ointment. I was back on the pitch in just a couple of weeks. Of course, it took a lot longer to recover from this injury back then before the advent of Copper Socks which are arguably the greatest advance in medical science in the last hundred years. If Von has half the pain tolerance I have, I don't think he will miss any time at all.

Couldn't agree more OP. We all saw how the defense played at the start of the season when healthy. The parade of defensive injuries kicked off in Week 1 with Oliver getting hurt and it hasn't stopped yet. The defense has been forced to play practice squad elevations some weeks with key players in and out of the lineup constantly. The fact that we are sitting here at 8-3 is incredible. I hope we can finally get the defense healthy for the playoff stretch and bring back the roster that throttled the Rams, Titans and Chiefs. I hope the people advocating for Frazier to be fired are trolls. If not I think they need to lay off the egg nog.

I agree. The worst thing they could do for the franchise is to bench him now --- unless --- they have already decided to move on from him at the end of the season. They can't go into the off-season with a shred of doubt about his status. He is either getting better and worth investing another year in, or he clearly can't cut it and they need to go back to the QB well. If they aren't 100% certain right now that he is a lost cause he needs to be playing so they can figure that out. They don't have a championship level roster now with the QBs they have. Mike White and Flacco are not winning a Super Bowl this year despite the talent around them. They might win a game or two more this season if they play White or Flacco, but to what end? All that will do is kick them even farther back in the draft next year. They need to decide if Zack is worth another year to develop or not. Everything else should be a moot point for Joe Douglas and Saleh.

The offense is still not hitting on all cylinders and McKenzie had another forgettable game yesterday. McKenzie's 2022 stats so far; 24 receptions, 219 yards and 3 TDs. He's also had 5 rushes for 35 yards and 1 TD. This is a huge fall in slot production compared to Beasley who had 82 receptions for 693 yards and 1 TD last year, even as Beasley's focus in the offense was diminished. Dorsey continued to involve James Cook in game plans taking baby steps since the start the season. That investment is starting to pay off now and he is turning into a legitimate threat with the ball in his hands and has the potential to be a real weapon for this offense in the playoffs. Dorsey needs to make more of an effort to do the same thing with Shakir. Through the last five games; McKenzie; average of 56% of snaps a game, average of 3 targets a game. Shakir; average of 14% of snaps a game, average of 1.2 targets a game Shakir should be splitting series with McKenzie evenly to see what he's got. If Shakir plays well he can gradually start to overtake McKenzie. Shakir hasn't done anything in his limited playing time that would make you think he's a liability out there. We have seven weeks until the playoffs start and I think Dorsey needs to make a bigger effort to see what Shakir can do and try to develop another weapon for a Bills offense that is sputtering. Hines is still learning the play book and I understand why he hasn't seen a lot of snaps so far. He sure looks good in the return game and It would be great to get that speed on the field for this offense. He isn't a true WR but can certainly play the slot if they need him too. He might be an answer in the slot for a dozen plays a game. I wonder if Hines would have converted that 2 point try yesterday? He's just as fast as McKenzie and packs more of a punch when he puts his shoulder down. There's going to be a lot of competition for OBJ and the Bills may not land him. Dorsey may have to look in house for another weapon for Josh in the passing game. Our slot position is not producing and Dorsey needs to fix it somehow. I'm not hating on McKenzie, how can you not like the guy? I didn't expect him to completely replace Beasley's production, but the truth of the matter is that he's simply underperforming for the offense this season. Dorsey needs to see what we have in Shakir and Hines in the next several weeks before the playoffs start and see if they can increase slot production.

I think that was the plan. Eliminate Chubb and make Brisset try and beat you. He couldn't. Win.

Let me repeat; Two things can be true at the same time. The Jets can beat the Bills Week 9 --- and --- Zach Wilson can be a bust

Three things; 1. Josh and the offense were off and still managed to score 13 first half points. Equating that to Zach Wilson's play today is a real stretch. 2. I'm not making fun of Zach or throwing shade, just stating a fact. Zach will be holding a clip board somewhere next year. He's a bust. If you feel differently that's fine with me. Time will tell. 3. Two things can be true at the same time. The Bills can lose to the Jets in Week 9--- and --- Zach Wilson can be a bust. 🍻

It's still mind boggling to me that we lost that game. It's this season's Jacksonville. Time will tell how much it hurts us.

The Jets had 2 yards of total offense in the second half against the Pats. It wasn't a bad weather game. Two yards.... Today Zach was 9/22 (40.9%) for 77 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 3 sacks for 44 yards Through Zach's first 7 games this season; 57.5 comp percentage 1,202 yards passing -- 171 yards a game 4 TDs 5 INTs They've had some tough injuries on offense but Zach can't even game manage. He just can't be under center again next year. They're going to have to go back to the well for another QB. This year's Jets are like a lot of Drought Era Bills' teams, a great defense squandered by a parade of inept quarterback play. Josh had some tough games in year two but he was constantly flashing, showing the potential that was there. I don't think anyone who watches Zach thinks he's on the cusp of putting it all together and breaking out. It was clear at the end of the 4th quarter today with it tied at 3 and the Jets with the ball, that Saleh was trying to hide Zach, trying to not have him lose the game. Saleh had no confidence in Zach's ability to make a play and even get the ball into field goal range. The Jets ended up punting it away and the Pats returned the punt 84 yards for the only TD of the game with 5 seconds left. The Jets have already spent their horde of draft picks. In next year's draft they only have their own pick for the first 4 rounds. This miss on Zach is really going to set them back. They're going to win just enough games to get them selecting in the middle third of the draft. They're going to have to trade away future picks to move up for a blue chip prospect in the draft or look for a retread vet QB to pick up. I can't imagine Joe Douglas and Robert Saleh putting their livelihood in Zach's hands again next year. They're going to ask for a mulligan and try to grab another QB.

There wasn't an ambulance chasing personal injury lawyer on the back of every phone book and on every billboard back then. The liability of inviting 70K people to your venue during a blizzard would be an invitation to get sued into oblivion when things inevitably go sideways for some of those people.

Are you asking how many beers they'd have to drink to get with me???

Tyreek is a fantastic receiver. I watched the last couple Dolphins games because I had some fantasy football interests in them. Tua is throwing bad balls that should be intercepted, at least three last week, and every "deep shot" to Hill is badly underthrown and he has to come back and compete for the ball. Hill is having a great season in spite of Tua's poor play. People who say Tua is having a great season only look at the box score. Watching the actual game reveals a QB who is enjoying a fair amount of luck and who is being bailed out by his receivers multiple times a game. I don't think that is sustainable.

Though just 7 games in a 17 game regular season Diggs already has 55 receptions for 764 yards and 7 TDs. This is more notable when you consider the first part of the season that the Bills just completed is likely the most difficult part of the schedule. If Diggs keeps pace for the rest of the season he is on track for 1,855 yards receiving, 133 receptions, and 17 TDs. Diggs already holds the franchise records for receptions (127) and receiving yardage (1,535). Bill Brooks holds the franchise record for receiving TDs with 11 set in 1995. Diggs had 10 TD receptions last season. The crazy thing is that it doesn't even seem like Diggs is working hard to do it. At the end of every game I think to myself that Diggs had another good game and when I check the box score I'm surprised by how much production he actually racked up. He is probably going to break every franchise receiving record this season and is making it look easy.

Hines is definitely a Process guy. Not sure it fills a big need with Cooks rounding into form. Hope he didn't spend a lot to get him.