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Strikes me that borderline isn't the worst thing in the world. The best arm at that Combine typically is not the best QB. (cough JoshAllen cough cough). http://blogs.ourlads.com/2017/03/16/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/

Best defensive secondary pretty much is found in Baton Rouge. On occasion, Columbus OH. Funny little guy that played for the Crimson Tide did pretty good against those Tigers - three out of four wins, including two in Louisiana. Look at game tapes, try and figure out competition, what ever. You can come up with any reason for liking or not liking the guy you want. By the way, Malik Jefferson plays some pretty good ball down in Texas. There's at least two or three other guys from Austin that will have their names called too. Like I say, we can make all the excuses and dances about who you are playing against or with - but at the end of the day it starts with whether or not you can perform on Sundays.

Insofar as "keeping" someone else from AA ball, it's not like the Mets organization has tons of players that require being moved up to Bingo. It's an organization devoid of talent below the Major League level and if you know anything about minor league baseball, teams sign washed up veterans to fill out a roster all the time - guys that have no right being on a major league roster. Our best player in the minor leagues is an embarrassment. I don't see how he's hurting a soul and he's making less money than a burger flipper. And if he's doing anti-abortion commercials, he's living a life fully true to his principles. At least he's not lying to God.

There are two players on our roster right now, drafted last year, with what we can say is a sketchy past.

He was. I'm pretty sure Kelly was as well. It's a different time. Players didn't study for the exam, no one placed a great deal of importance on it. Today it's like the SAT. Jackson's score is a little crazy ... but then again, he didn't feel like running the 40 either. Maybe he decided that wasn't a test he really wanted to prep for. Who knows.

Is Allen's number meaningful? No. Above 16 isn't a realistic predictor of NFL ability in a QB. Failing to get to 16 is. Especially once you get above 20 the numbers become meaningless.

Sam Darnold - contrarian, sure, but that is the very definition of Leaf. If Allen goes high enough, sure. But see him falling to the point where he isn't a LeafBust, but even if he goes high I don't think any team plays him day 1. There is almost no history of QBs with the limited track record of Sam Darnold being a long term success in the NFL. Add in his turnover issues, the likelihood that he'll be drafted very high? Some team is going to stick that guy as starting QB, day 1, and get destroyed.

115,000,000 reasons AJM wasn't going to beat out Dalton while Dalton was healthy. Doesn't make McCarron good though.

And in Buffalo, by Day 35 a member of the IR.

Here is the problem with "Rudolph at 22". You have a host of teams that likely could move up to take Rudolph ahead of you. NE, Pittsburgh, easily are two teams that could do that. There's nothing that says Arizona doesn't get a twitchy feeling above you. If it's Rudolph, it's Rudolph at 12 - because nobody is going to move to 11 to take Mason Rudolph. But if you haven't taken a QB at 12 everyone in the NFL knows you are sure-as-$hit taking one at 22 and you are forced to pre-empt them ("Hey Beane - I got Belichek on the other line. You want #15? It will cost you 22, 54 and 65"). If Mason's your guy I think you bust that move early.

I don't even like the Josh Rosen all that much and I know Ross Tucker is wrong.

Happy to take the under on this. I can easily see a place where Denver, Arizona, Miami, New England and the Giants have priorities elsewhere. There are three teams that clearly, obviously need to take a QB in the Browns, Jets and Bills. Every other team in the NFL signed or has in place expensive, reasonable starters on their teams - with clear, real roster issues elsewhere. It's like fans and websites have forgotten the $40MM committed to Sam Bradford & Case Keenum. I guarantee you their GMs did not. Baker Mayfield, #1 overall to the Browns. When the Giants pass on a QB, the draft goes nuts when the Jets do something unexpected - perhaps taking neither one of the California QBs. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if there was two of Darnold, Rosen and Jackson available at 6 - quite possibly, all three.

I haven't used hyperbole to describe Josh Allen once, so perhaps you'll excuse an attempt at humor. You forgot to say And he's big. I understand your commitment to the study you've done. From what I see around here you do a lot of film work, I'll honor that and admit my opinions are direvative. The very obvious things that stand out to me is that * excuses about talent surrounding him don't hold up. He wasn't that good a year ago. * talk about his playing in what amount to a scrimmage at an all-star game really doesn't hold up in my mind. * often his escapeability - according to people that have done some pretty good analysis - is because he failed in pre-snap reads. I think that will likely only get worse when really good players and DCs start to truly disguise what is coming. I believe pretty strongly in muscle memory. The things a player does and has committed to his body to do, is what he will do at the least for the next four years after being a professional athlete - especially at QB. And to that ends, I do believe playing in a pro-style offense is an argument that has merit - but he wasn't particularly good at it nor did he show improvement the more he was exposed to it. But if offensive style is a dominant theme, shouldn't we weight more heavily Lamar Jackson - who can spin it, improved himself year over year, led his team to great records, overcame poor WRs, was the singularly MOST escapable QB and analysts suggest is more accurate, and whom we won't have to move an inch to get? Increases in completion percentage when moving to the pros ends when you start getting paid. Period. The arc of improvement stops. Any leap is temporary and more than likely reflective of the countless other variables that go into success as a pro. Matty Ryan didn't go from 57 to 61 and then up and up and up. Finally, there's this: I have a natural aversion to QBs with big arms. Their confidence gets them into problems and they tend to be turnover machines. They have problems with completions because frankly they don't throw a catchable ball and that is the singular, and I mean SINGULAR thing a QB must do. Does that apply to Josh Allen? I don't know I've never sat in a cold, NW stadium in November. I sure as heck don't want the Buffalo Bills to roll the dice on a guy that couldn't complete 60% of his passes against Western Goldminer State. Regardless of the many reasons he didn't complete the passes (like, because Brett Favre said "Touchdowns first" so he wouldn't hit the safety valve even though that was the design of the play), I know he didn't. Hope you get to stay warm. Alex

Don't you understand? He throws the ball very fast.

And yet I was just reading an article this morning - thankfully, I think you linked it or referred to it - where a FO metric of QBASE showed that Baker Mayfield is one of the top QBs to come out in the last 12 years. Something like that. So we have two metrics, apparently from the same source, 180 degrees from one another. Honestly, I'm just asking and not trying to be snarky. But on the surface that's the read I am getting.

I like Peterman; I haven't made it my personal crusade to knock him. To my point, this was a team that was clearly looking to get another QB through the draft after the 2017 season. Seems like a good idea if that was the case, to get the best QB that they could have gotten. I think it's fair to say that in the least, you'd have to agree with me that they didn't. I can't give a good "grade" to a FO that traded away from Watson/Mahomes and was considering moving up to Trubisky and instead drafted Peterman. Not sure how you square yourself with that, but not concerned with your thoughts either.

Common sense is that these are contra-indicated. Softest passer in our division in the last 15 years was Chad Pennington.

I understand what you are saying and I think we saying the same thing differently. But the lack of sustained improvement strikes me as saying they didn't get better. Their circumstances got better. Either they were put into a new system, or asked to do less, or had better surrounding cast. I've made this point elsewhere. Players have muscle memory that is incredibly hard to change, especially as a QB when there are so many other things they are processing for a rookie. What they do, and do consistently ... if you think you are going to change that drastically in the pros, you are playing against a stacked deck. Enjoy the snow.

Nate already is completing 59% of his passes. 24 to our boys, 5 to theirs. I don't know how much room for improvement you think he's got.

well ... it depends on the point that is being made here. A college QB can go from completing 56% of his college passes to 60-61% in the pros. Sure; some of that is talent surrounding him, some of it has to do with the offense and what the QB is being called on to achieve. But one in the pros, the numbers don't support your thesis - if you are using completion percentage as the guide. Using your examples of Ryan, Stafford and Palmer. Matthew Stafford Passing Statistics for Career Games 2009 to 2014 Games Passing Passing Year Tm G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD Average 13 13 308 516 3619 22 14 27 183 Per 16 Games 16 16 384 644 4512 27 18 33 228 2009-2014 DET 77 77 35-42-0 1848 3099 59.6 21714 131 4.2 85 2.7 87 7.0 6.6 11.8 282.0 83.6 161 1096 6.32 5.95 4.9 Stafford isn't unusual. For six years his completion percentage was remarkably consistent. Matt Ryan was remarkably consistent around a 60% level. Palmer had a single good year (not unusual) but again, very consistent throughout his time up to his age 33 season. The 62.5% completion rate was within 1% plus/minus nearly the entire time. Carson Palmer Passing Statistics for Career Games 2004 to 2012 Games Passing Passing Year Tm G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD Average 14 13 285 457 3274 21 14 23 159 Per 16 Games 2004-2012 CIN,RAI 122 121 54-67-0 2568 4110 62.5 29465 189 4.6 130 3.2 78 7.2 6.7 11.5 241.5 86.2 203 1434 6.50 6.02 4.7 Can Allen improve his accuracy from 56% to 61% in the pros? Possibly. You might find some examples of QBs that made that jump in accuracy after they got to the pros. Everything I've looked at leads me to believe that accuracy, as defined by completion percentage ... well, you better be pretty much happy with what you see when they get to professional level, 'cause it's going to be awhile.

I'm a big time believer in Mayfield ... and so to me, Ledyard seems low. But ... really? You don't think that goes to Josh Rosen (or Darnold)? Which analysts are you reading that say Mayfield?

On certain days I can see the Allen bias for the Jets. He's physically similar to guys they tend to favor. But culturally, coming from the city, I just see the Mayfield/Namath attitude comparison as too strong for them to overlook. By everything I've read, Mayfield is a day one starter and the Jets FO has failed around the QB position so much they need to not be wrong on this one. I think the Jets board would go Mayfield/Rosen then Allen.

The draft is about accumulating talent. That is the job at hand. You are not forcing the hand of anyone, you are doing your job. Is it possible you'd like to kick the can? Sure. It's possible. Anything is possible but I think you'd be hard pressed to get a GM to admit that he was specifically taking a lesser player because he thought another GM wouldn't like the pick. By your absolutely insane logic, you bypass Andrew Luck or Ray Lewis because the next GM might now want that guy. Just cede your entire process. Beyond this, apparently the GM WAS TRYING TO MOVE UP TO GET TRUBISKY. So apparently it's okay to get that QB, but not a different QB? Did you specifically avoid that point in your hurry to belittle someone else ... which is, let's face it, the way you like to push yourself around here? My sense of humor is an attempt to keep things light and not take things too seriously. Whether or not you respect me or someone else here is not of a concern to me. And stop noticing how much someone else posts. It's creepy. Edit: just going back to see some of YOUR posts ... it seems you spend an awful, awful lot of time taking personal shots at other posters without really having anything worthwhile to say. You really are a sad, sad little man.

I think the Rams are doing it differently. It starts with Sean McVeigh, with an MVP running back and an MVP defensive tackle. Goff is a trigger man, sure, but this is the second straight year they won't have a 1st round pick and it doesn't seem to be bothering them.

Then he probably shouldn't have drafted anyone. What in the world sort of revisionist thinking is this? He had foresight to not draft quality players so he wouldn't upset the new GM??? You ... you are joking here right? I'm missing the sarcasm button or something. Am I being punked here? Maybe fans didn't like his practice play, but the last game of the 2017 was so good the Chiefs FO jettisoned Alex Smith. I guess we'll find that out as the season goes on. The larger point is that they would have moved up to #2 or 3 to get Trubisky and yet leave DeShaun Watson undrafted - and especially, those decisions juxtaposed to which of the QBs would have been a preferred choice/not preferred choice over Tyrod Taylor.