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Hunter Henry: Glass jaw availability and Charles Clay production

When I wake up, well I know I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be the man who wakes up next you When I go out, yeah I know I'm gonna be I'm gonna be the man who goes along with you If I get drunk, well I know I'm gonna be I'm gonna be the man who gets drunk next to you And if I haver up, yeah I know I'm gonna be I'm gonna be the man who's havering to you But I would walk 500 miles And I would walk 500 more Just to be the man who walks a thousand miles To fall down at your door

ooops Don't knock chicken and waffles, Roscoe Parrish swore by them! ?

Hello, how are you? Have you been alright through all those lonely Lonely, lonely, lonely, lonely nights? That's what I'd say, I'd tell you everything If you pick up that telephone, yeah, yeah, yeah

As much as I like the guy, Harrison Phillips has 21 tackles, 0.5 sacks and 2 PD in his career. Meanwhile Jordan Phillips had 31 tackles and 9.5 sacks last year and is a FA. Even if Jordan Phillips is a creation of the system, why would we not want to bring back guys who excel in the system? TBD: "Ah he's not not that good. He only got 10 sacks because of the system he is in" Me: "then convince him our system helps to make him productive since it is ours" It's like rocket science

Does Snacks relay as a better starter than Star in this defense? Your initial supposition did not call out any specifics. A better conversational starter would have been: "I believe Snacks is an upgrade to Star L" see....quite simple Now that is a conversation starter that I will have to ponder, though at first glance I am not certain Snacks is a better 1 technique, but it's worthy of consideration.

Look above this post As Paul Harvey would say..... 'And that is the rest of the story'

A little reminder about Jason Peters for those too young to remember. In 2004 during the draft there was this huge TE out of Arkansas I wanted Buffalo to draft. The guy was a monster. I was on the old BB Message board and loved draft day there. There was a fellow BBMB poster named WYO who was a very smart Bills fan from Wyoming. She and I became friends during that draft. We both wanted Buffalo to draft this crazy sized athletic TE named Jason Peters from Arkansas. We figured at worst he could be an Eric Green type TE, or could be converted to OL since Jim (Mouse) McNally was the OL coach. Each round passed and Jason Peters went undrafted when all 32 teams passed on him. After round 7 we both were amazed Jason Peters had gone undrafted. Shortly after we found out the Bills had won the undrafted tender for Jason Peters. We were both ecstatic!. In 2004 Jason Peters signed with the Buffalo Bills as an undrafted free agent TE. He was not an OT at that time. He was an overweight but athletic TE and a poor OL. Every team had passed on him through 7 rounds of the draft, and he went unclaimed until Buffalo saw his potential and brought him in. He was undistinguished throughout the pre-season. Buffalo even cut him after the 2004 pre-season. Once again all 32 teams in the NFL did not claim him after cuts. Buffalo resigned him and kept teaching him the NFL game as an OT by Mouse. Buffalo put him in on ST as a wedge blocker from 2004-2005. By 2006 Mike Williams was considered a bust and Jason Peters, coached up by McNally, stepped in at RT. Peters excelled at RT. Ralph Wilson rewarded Jason Peters immediately with a 5 yr 15 million dollar contract before his UDFA contract was due. This was solid money for an OL in 2006. Not bad at all, from undrafted free agent on the PS, to being cut, to being resigned, to a starting RT on a new multi year, multi million dollar contract in 2 years. Even Ralph ponied up for the big man after only one year starting at RT. Jason Peters should have been under contract by Buffalo until 2011. He was paid an OT starting salary in 2006 terms. In 2007 Peters was moved to LT. He excelled there as well garnering his first Pro Bowl Selection. In 2008, less than 2 years after signing an extension, he held out. Peters wanted 8-12 million a year in line with 5 time Pro Bowler OT Walter Jones. (Peters was making 5 million a year) He held out in all of training camp, only returning in time for the season. He dogged it in 2008 allowing 11.5 sacks which was tied for worst among starting left tackles. Knowing another potential hold out was going to happen, and the horrible performance he put in in 2008 Buffalo traded the disappointing but capable LT for a 2nd (C, Eric Wood), 4th (TE, Shawn Nelson), and conditional pick 6th 2010 (LB, Danny Batten). Yes, Jason Peters was a generational LT. But: He went undrafted as an oversized TE. He was cut as a UDFA and no other NFL team signed him. Buffalo brought him in again and he played ST for 2 years while Mouse coached him up. Look up Coach McNally btw. Mouse was no bum. When big Mike Williams proved to be a bust at LT and RT, Jason Peters stepped in at an RT position and did well. Ralph extended him to the tune of 5 million dollars a year in 2006 dollars after 1 year at RT. That was insane RT money in 2006. He did well and took over a LT position. He excelled as LT for one year, and then held out. In year two as a LT he gave up 11.5 sacks while dogging it, but demanded top dollar. All of this less than 2 yrs after signing a 5 yr, 15 million dollar contract. Buffalo saw his potential. McNally coached him up, he got an opportunity in Buffalo to go from undrafted TE to RT to LT. He even got paid early and high for his position, but was greedy. He treated the people that coached him up, paid him early, and gave him a chance to excel like garbage, and left as soon as he could. F**k Jason Peters.

Yet they will find the fountain of youth and become game changers for the Bills.... amazing how that works. Thank you for helping prove the point.

Lock out no, some wheeling and dealing by NFLPA yes. Likely will be 17 games, 7 playoff teams per conference, 2 bye weeks, down to 2-3 preseason games, and importantly an expanded game day roster. NFL gets 17 games and 7 playoff teams per conference. NFLPA gets 2 bye weeks, one or two less preseason games and increased union membership. That seems a win-win. If the 17th game is split fairly this means a London/Toronto/Mexico City game for each team to try to expand the sport. England, Canada and Mexico are the obvious tries to expand. Now that the UK is not beholden to the EU, even more so as a business. (does not have to comply with EU regulations on sport). East Coast teams play in London or Montreal, Midwest teams play in Toronto, Calgary, Edmonton (CFL stadiums), west coast plays in Mexico City or Vancouver. CFL stadiums make the most sense for an immediate major expansion. Maybe this is a move to investing in the CFL, Arena Football League or XFL? The NFL doesn't yet have a farm system. A 9-8 home and away schedule is unfair, and the NFL wants to expand like the NBA. Each team should have to play the 17th game as an away game IMO. In a way this helps Buffalo if Toronto or even Montreal are designated foreign cities. I can see Buffalo being a regular participant in Toronto, Montreal or London games. I would gladly take one of those trips a year. If I were the NFLPA I would want no divisional games in a foreign market, no divisional games before a foreign trip, and one of my bye weeks immediately after a foreign trip. Keep the rivalries alive stateside. Interconference games should be the foreign game, IMO. Buffalo vs Dallas in London or Toronto would have been amazing. Changes will happen to our NFL. I am not a fan, but since this seems a lock, then manage it properly. Sadly I don't see this common sense approach working out, but I hope for the best. The game continues to walk away from me.

TBD loves 30+ players

My first and obvious choice was Eric Moulds. The guy could have been a Hall of Fame WR on a better team. But I had no idea he went to so many playoff games. 3? Really? We as fans really need to reevaluate Wade Phillips as a Head coach. That late 90s Bills team felt like such a let down, but they were very competitive. OK so WR is still a need and Stevie Johnson is worth looking at. Only Bill with 3x1000 yd seasons in a row. But that was with Fitzy. Johnson and Fitzy had a special chemistry. It was really fun to watch, but Steve never quite ran the routes he was supposed to, had a nasty wiggle people couldn't defend and Fitzy had the guts to throw anywhere. SJ would drive Daboll and JA nuts. Stevie Johnson and Brett Favre together? Magic. At least Stevie got Fitzpatrick. Lee Evans. Hmm. Lee Evans. Two 1000 yd seasons on some very bad teams. Crazy fast, ok hands. 3 seasons over 50 catches. He is a deep threat, but I never considered him a complete WR. Peerless Price. Looked great with Moulds across from him. Fell off a cliff without him. Eye troubles found afterward? Heck of an accomplishment then. I liked Peerless Price as a #2. Not counting Eric Moulds, there is one complete WR that the drought era Buffalo Bills had that has speed, size, hands, can block like a mofo, and is a McDermott guy all the way. That WR is Robert Woods. If I can't add Eric Moulds, then I want Robert Woods, who btw could still contribute today. Back to back 1000 yd seasons. A process guy all the way. Helped Jared Goff look legitimate for heavens sakes. Got no where with the Bills and went back home to CA. We really overlook Robert Woods as fans, he is a terrific football player. At 27 he would be that gnarled vet WR that JA needs, but still has his best years ahead of him. 'Boo Boo foot, small people' Watkins stole some of his thunder, as did bad QB play but this guy does everything a WR is asked to do. Love me some Robert Woods in this offense. On Defense there is no question. I'll take the 2nd best DE Buffalo has had since the merger in Aaron Schobel. This dude was the real deal and hung around in production with the likes of Jason Taylor for his career. Never got a scent of the playoffs, or the accolades with playing on higher profile teams, but was a beast. Drafted by the Bills, stayed with the Bills his whole career. Aaron Schobel in McDermott's defense is a 12-15 sack a year guy who could shut down an edge. He was a complete DE on some very suck Bills teams. so there it is Offense: Robert Woods Defense: Aaron Schobel Honorable Mention: Fred Jackson

I had to look him up. He is a big boy with some nice ability and solid hands. 6'0" 249. This is exactly that 3-5 rd pick I was alluding to. A mix of Singletary, Drake and Dillon would be super nice. Different sized backs, and different abilities.

Just need more young legs in the backfield. It's a RB by rotation league right now. The Henrys, McCaffreys, Zekes and Barkley's of the league are not the norm. Even Zeke and Barkley faded some this past year. As for Buffalo, Gore ran out of juice and the coaching staff lost confidence with Yeldon. In an ideal situation Motor is the change of pace back. After running a more complete back (size, speed, blocking, hands) early, and with a solid McDermott defense, Motor becomes a third and 4th quarter nightmare. No one wants to find and tackle a 5'8" guy who is elusive enough to avoid tackles in a phone booth, has enough strength to break a tackle and has fresh legs. He reminds me most of Doug Martin (muscle hamster) in stature and running ability. Martin had a 4.55 40 and a 6.79 3 cone score at the combine if we want to compare. Singletary had a 4.66 40 and 7.32 3 cone score, but to his credit, Singletary plays better than his stats. I was down on the pick, but he won me over. As an RB aficionado Singletary is not a RB1. He is however a nasty RB2, and there is room for that on a team building an offense around a young QB. Find a good three down back in rounds 2-4 and compliment him with Singletary. I view Devin Singletary as the modern Kenny Davis, a guy that can fill in for a starter, can take over a game for a back with a different running style, but is not the alpha dog in a RB room. I would love to find a way to get Kenyan Drake on the team and draft another RB in 3-5.

Can't blame the guy for taking a year or two shot for a ring with Seattle. Would have been an ok addition if it was a nearly direct trade off with Kroft. Honestly I can't understand the TBD love affair with the NFL equivalent of dinged up AARP aged players. Griffen, Olsen, Sanders, Bradham, Green and on and on. I also don't understand the love affair with dinged up players in general. Hunter Henry? Really? The guy has never played a full season in 4 years. His stats in his best seasons are similar to Clay who was a TBD whipping boy. The 8 TDs last year was nice, can't ignore that, but the yardage and TDs are all on pace with Charles Clay. Let some other team pay the next Charles Clay contract for Hunter Henry. Hooper is the only TE worth the look at the contracts being discussed IMO, and that is not a guarantee. Otherwise I roll with a healthy Kroft, Knox and Sweeney, or spend a 4-5th for another TE to put in the mix. Just my opinion.

I appreciate the reply. No where in my post did I sugar coat or ignore that Kobe, like Felicia, and all of us are all flawed. I think it is vile to bring this up as soon as his death is announced, if not for Kobe, then for his family and friends. What was the motive? The tweet was sent out today, within hours of the reported death, with a link to the article from the past. Why feel the need to drudge up the past as soon as the death is reported?

There is a certain mindset that can not let a moment of tragedy pass without trying to advance their cause. I'll leave it for PPP, I've said enough a post or two above.

Felicia is a 'journalist' for the Washington post. This discussion on how he was flawed could be had after family, friends and fans could have absorbed the news and grieved. What dirt does Felicia have on Kobe's daughter and the others killed in this accident? I can't wait for that. What about the total disregard for the Bryant Family? Does anyone think they want this? A real journalist would have waited a while and used that time to put together a story on the tragic loss of life, and then have a civil discussion about Kobe's life; good and bad. It could have been used as a piece that led to a more general discussion about the complexity of the human condition, or how much slack we give our sports and entertainment heroes, but nope. Bodies aren't even cold and this piece of human garbage can't wait to use it as a platform. We get this vile trash instead. I am truly disgusted. RIP Black Mamba. RIP Little Mamba. My sincere condolences to the Bryant Family, Altobelli Family, and the Laker Nation.

Fair play, I was wrong. BB.com has Trent as starter too. Good point and civil too. Still Murphy was as productive as any DE on the team, and is only a tier down from Clowney and Ngouke by production, like Lawson. Calling him a bum was a bit harsh, and I think with Lawson not certain, he has a productive role on the team. IMO no need to make holes on the team when they have 90 million to spend.

WOW! RIP Black Mamba https://www.foxnews.com/sports/california-helicopter-crash-calabasas-brush-fire-fatalities-reported

I agree with you. I liked him, but he looked bad in the national championship game against elite talent.

Murphy had 36 tackles, 5 sacks, 2 FF and an INT as a rotational DE. Hughes had 23 tackles, 4.5 sacks, 0 FF, 0 INT as a starter Lawson had 32 tackles, 6.5 sacks, 1 FF, 0 INT as a starter to compare with the two DE TBD likes Ngakoue had 41 tackles, 8 sacks, 4 FF, 1 INT Clowney had 31 tackles, 3 sacks, 4 FF and 1 INT (13 games) care to back up your 'Murphy is a bum' statement with facts?

Or you could sign Ngakoue, let Lawson go to FA, non exclusive tender Phillips, keep Murphy as 3rd DE and then fill the third LB hole. Murphy really came on at the end of the season.

Since I am an original member of the Ngakoue bandwagon I'll chime in. 1) Yannick Ngakoue is only 24 years old, he fits the youth replacement going on on the defense. At 24 he is already a producer and is only hitting his prime years. Clowney is only 26, but has significant injuries. Pair YN with White (25), Edmunds (21) and Oliver (22) and you have young guns that should be corner stones for years at each level of the Defense. 2) Like Clowney, he is a natural pass rusher and disruptor. He had 8 sacks, 4 Forced Fumbles this year in a 'down year' YN was drafted in 2016 and has 37.5 sacks, 13 Forced Fumb, 2 Fum recoveries, 2 INT, 8 PD, and 1 TD JC was drafted in 2014 and has 32 sacks, 9 Forced Fumb, 6 Fum recoveries, 1 INT, 14 PD and 4 TD The sack totals are consistent (8, 12, 9.5, 8). He is rounding into a total DE with his tackle numbers increasing every year considering Clonwey has 2 seasons on Ngakoue I think the production is pretty comparable, and even leans toward Ngakoue. 3) Jacksonville is over the cap and probably can not tag him without other cuts that need to free up @16-19 million needed to apply any kind of tag 4) He beat out a crowded DE rotation in Jacksonville midway through his rookie year to become a starter. (beat out Dante Fowler ) If both cost about the same, I'll take the younger, less injured and just as productive guy. Ngakue suffers from the small market lack of exposure that a lot of Bills fans feel about our own players.

this was explained, it's shortened news paper speak for Association football versus Rugby I didn't know that until today I'm a history nut and love football too. You, Motorin and some others may really enjoy this video it goes all the way back to 1920.