RocCityRoller

Denver has asked for a kings ransom for Jerry Jeudy. How much would Bills fans trade for him?

I love Cole Beasley more than a lot of TSW. The pitchforks came out last offseason for him for many reasons. The Bills missed his production at WR3 badly. Beasely, please stay off of social media.

5'6" 170 I've yelled at teenagers larger than this to get off of my lawn.... boooo

Good, they are fools It's a retool year. Should be. The Bills missed on the 5 yr window. It should be a get lean and cut vets/ high salary season. Hasn't worked out that way.

So polarizing! So juicy! In a weird way both the Jets and the Pack could back out. Awkward if Rodgers ends up alone.... If I am the Jets I make GB sweat to the draft now. Could the cheese head QB be the cheese?

I would too, but not seeing those guys in this year's draft! Sadly guys like JSN don't fall to 27 in weak WR drafts.....

So you are mixing WR2 and WR3 up. Simple exercise, very basic. Show me the WR#2 that had more yards and more TDs than Davis did.

It's nice we are generally agreeing on things. Weird but nice 🤣 I'm hoping WR3 is not on the team yet. Draftwise I like Flowers as a chain mover. I think Hyatt is a game breaker but not a chain mover. Assuming the top 3 WR are gone. What are you thinking about a trade for Jeudy? I was anti-Jeudy, but I am starting to understand the argument more. I certainly don't want to give Denver a boatload of picks, but the #27??? What do you think?

Fair enough. Diggs is 30 and nearing contract end. I am not as down on Davis as much of this board, but what will he ask for in a year? Problem is the best WR in this draft are smaller slot guys. Not a lot of top end 6'0" 200lb productive guys in this draft. Draft a good slot guy, since the loss of Beasley's production hurt this offense and try again next season for the outside guy. I guess that adds a lot to the Jerry Jeudy argument.

Be careful Shaw. I took it on the chin defending Davis here the other night. A lot of folks here are convinced Davis stinks. The masses are out with the pitchforks. Davis is a very good WR#2. Ask the mob what WR#2 produced more yards and TDs than Davis, you get a bunch of gibberish and nonsense. A few exceptions like Cincy that have 2-3 WR#1. (Yep Boyd could be a WR#1 on some teams). Point out even D Hop himself never passed 60% catch rate his first 5 years in the league and get a bunch of silly responses. Point out that Davis was equal to or outproduced Hopkins the past two seasons, more gibberish. At least the D Hop crowd has quieted down a bit. I think OL and WR3 is the biggest issue. Add a 'between the tackle' RB for me. I'm as down on 'JuggerKnox' as you are. A productive WR3 like Beasley goes a long way. But then again TSW wanted him gone too. Whelp, even a reduced Beasely produced more than the McKenzie/ Crowder/Shakir experiment. Of course Beasely goes and gets stupid on social media again.... Either way, I agree Diggs and Davis are a nice 1-2 combo.WR3 is a major issue. Crowder was a bust. Mckenzie failed to rise up, and Harty is fools gold. Whether it is WR3 or TE, someone has to work the underneath better and be productive. We agree 100% there.

I agree both failed in the role. I disagree McKenzie was the 'expected' Bease replacement. Need a WR3 and Harty is fools gold.

This is incorrect. Crowder was supposed to be WR3 and fill the slot role. When Crowder went down, McKenzie was asked to fill the role. That is how forgettable Crowder was. Mckenzie was not up to the task to rise to WR3 after injury. He also failed as KR/PR and Hines was brought in. That is why McKenzie is gone. Buffalo could have gone more safe at slot insurance than Harty, but swung for big play potential instead.

I agree McKenzie ended up being the answer to no questions. I like Lil Dirty, but not a player that is needed to go forward. But no reason to bag on the guy, as some have done. He was a fun WR4 when Daboll dialed up plays for him. Had a knack for finding 1st downs (30 last year). That is almost 2 per game, or one per half. He also had big time boneheaded plays and some untimely turnovers. Would not be surprised to see him on the Giants though. I was alluding to the fact the player 'formerly known as Harris' is 5'6" 170 lbs wet. I don't think he will hold up and the contract was too rich. You fleshed out why he missed games, thanks for the info. But Harty has missed a lot of games. He will be compared to Mckenzie for the next season or two. The fact is he did end 2 of 4 seasons on IR. Not a fan of the signing, but that doesn't mean you keep McKenzie instead either. I would have gone with a Berrios or James signing to help fill slot or WR4 duties for the same or less money. If a guy can produce in a Daboll offense (James) he may produce here too... That is my line of thinking.

I agree that this draft is missing a lot of top end talent. I do think it has good value in rounds 3-5. Maybe a good steal in the 2nd. I'd be thrilled to get Bergeron in the second. Are you hoping for a trade back, or to trade the first for a player?

Good question, since that is not the current asking price. Last I checked, Denver was looking for more than MN got for Diggs in exchange. I don't know if Denver has backed off the ask price, I've been enjoying the NCAA tourney the past couple of days. I might pull the trigger at #27 for Jeudy. Nothing more, but I'm waiting till draft day. I really like the idea of trading back this draft and picking up a 2nd and 3/4th for a lot of reasons. It doesn't seem like a good 1st round draft for franchise changers, much less at #27. I'd let Denver know I'll trade them #27 for Jeudy in the first round, unless there is a player I want (Avila etc) Likewise if a team wants to trade me their #2 and #3/#4 for our #1 I would probably do that too. I'm really 'meh' on Jeudy, but I think he is probably better than any WR Buffalo could draft at #1, especially outside. But if I trade a first for a WR, I need to get a guy that can be by #1 in a season or two. Like Diggs. (1/4/5/7) I don't know if Jeudy is that guy. Out of the current options available, he may be the best bet. Getting 2 more years on a rookie contract +1 year of contract control does sweeten that deal. Denver knows this, but wants too much for a guy who never broke 1k receiving for a season.

I am a big Beasley fan, but this was a really dumb post. Jets are pretty stacked at WR, he gained nothing by this post. Small chance he could have been brought into camp to see if he still has anything left to offer. Pretty sure that is gone now.

I know you are big time in the Jeudy/ OBJ/ Hopkins or bust camp. It is a popular trend here. I will agree with you that the top end talent in this draft is meh. Few if any identifiable future WR1 in this draft. I know my thoughts on D Hop are well known on this board. Same with OBJ. What exactly has Jeudy done in this league to make you think he is the boom or bust answer to WR? If Denver wanted a 2nd this year and a conditional pick next year, I would consider that. But a 1st and a second and other considerations? No way. Not with the holes/ contracts/ age on this team. I'd rather trade down the 1st for a 2nd and 3/4th than blow 2 high picks on Jeudy. If that happened, and the higher 2nd could be traded, draft day for him, yeah, I would consider that too.

Thoughts on Mohamed Ibrahim? I like a 6-7th on him for that very role. Check him out if you haven't. I'm not married or hot blooded to getting Fournette. Just wanted to point out the 'pro' argument for him.

Good list overall. As much as I like Jack Campbell (LB) I just think he is a 1st round reach. His film is good, but not great. I think Dorian Williams (Tulane) would be a good fit in this defense much later. A lot of the WR who could be available in this draft are smaller/ fast or quick WR. It just so happens Buffalo needs a slot WR. The Bills clearly missed Beasely's production at WR3. Crowder and Lil Dirty are gone. Harty is 5'6 170 and injury prone. Is Shakir the answer? Would be aok with one of the smallish top WR falls to Buffalo. I like Hyatt and Flowers the most. Hyatt is a Mecole Hardman type with better potential. Flowers is more the safe chain mover Beasley type. Torrance seems boom or bust in the NFL... Not sure this draft is top heavy. Seems stockpiling a 2nd and a 3rd/4th for the first may be a better move. Get a Bergeron and Campbell in the 2nd.

At the moment, pre draft, who do you see as WR3? I still think WR3 and OL are the biggest needs on offense. As much as I liked Lil Dirty, he was not the answer.

100% agree Hamlin is a nice S#4 before Cincy. Add in Hyde's injury and age and Poyer's age and S needs to be considered. Plenty of successful S drafted in mid to late rounds, but it should be addressed.

5'6" 170? Two IR ending seasons... I hope not. I've yelled at teenagers to get off my lawn that are bigger than him. I'm hoping he is PR/KR and Hines gets more play in the offense.

have you seen the price of produce recently? Ask for Harty's equivalent weight in peppers and onions and Lil Dirty may make out well in the deal!

Can I take a life insurance policy on Joe Burrow?! 🤣 But then again even some here assume a good RT is not a valuable position....

Thanks, the Twitter I saw did not clarify that well. Good contract overall, one of my favorite McBeane era defenders. Still want Bills to make some investments in S this season. The writing is on the wall for our beloved S duo, and I am not big on Hamlin being the replacement. And yes, that was before the events in Cincy. What a great opportunity for a 3-5th round S to come in and learn from two of the best. Would also be insurance in the event Hyde's recovery takes a set back, or Hamlin is not cleared IMO. Gervarrius Owens (Houston) would be a nice 4-6th round type of guy who could learn and back up these two.