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Depends on who the Jets get at QB. If they land Derek Carr and have a healthy Breece Hall and AVT then the offense has a lot of talent.

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" But Hyde, who will turn 32 on New Year's Eve, conceded that his desire to play this season may not fully align with what medical personnel think. "That would be pretty tough," he said of convincing the doctors. "I think my doctor out in L.A. (Robert Watkins) is pretty set on it being a long shot. Me, waking up every morning and knowing that there's a 1 percent chance is what's keeping me going. I'm just going to continue to do that and hope that whenever that time comes I'm ready for it." " From: https://reviewtimes.com/news/432062/hyde-hints-at-possible-2022-return/

The voting changed this year. As I understand it: Think of it as 50 writers filling out 2 sets of depth charts. 1 x 1st team depth chart (Offense/ Defense/ ST) and 1 x second team depth chart (Offense/Defense/ST) So each media person would choose 1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 LT, 1 LG, 1 C, 1 RG, 1 RT etc etc to fill out their '1st place team'. Then they fill out a second depth chart for their second place team PS congrats to Matt Milano! Stud LB

Bill Burr comedy surprised you that it was NSFW? 🤣

Why is everyone forgetting Mike Shula??? McDermott is from the Reid/ Eagles tree

Congrats Italian Bills fan! Well done. I was not quite the cockeyed optimist you were,.

He might work out on ST 🤣

Well that seems to be in poor taste, especially with all the connections between Pittsburgh, Hamlin and Buffalo. Too bad they couldn't resuscitate their season.

Such great news all around.

I believe if Pats win Dolphins are out?

Yes it appeared to be that way to our group too. Ironic the worst result of the night was from a clean play. I do hope Taron Johnson and Josh Allen are ok. The Hutchinson play was replayed as Josh was on the sideline getting retaped. I saw the Johnson-Hurst nonsense in real time.

I'm sorry for your direct loss. I'm in a similar boat by proxy. One of my best friend's mom passed away Thursday. We almost didn't gather for the game, but most of us decided to. We wanted to regain some normalcy and have a distraction. As you can imagine the evening did not go well. I'm still here curious about what will happen now. Maybe that makes me a monster, maybe it means I am in total shock right now, and am looking for a distraction? People pointing fingers at each other and castigating them over how they are handling things is very poor behavior IMO. People handle things differently.

Try to keep the clock running and get out of this game? Ouch on that injury to the C Old Jason Peters on the field again

Right on cue! 🤣

How is your Italian?

tough run by Zeke

For those saying Dobbs stinks. I see crap WR play not crap QB play I was wondering the same

Amazing body control by Burks. Nice pass by Dobbs. We have a game

Robert Woods looks 50 I think Dobbs actually looks nice. He is getting 0 help from his WRs...

This is the second part of a two part conversation I was having. The person I was replying to and I were having a conversation about our personal experiences with concussions and I made some comparisons with Tua. The thread you replied about Morse is a continuation of that first post. If you go back and read the first reply it will make more sense. Most everything you mentioned about Tua was covered in an earlier post midway through page 13 of this thread, and we agree.

I have to agree. And by doing so I think we really need to look skeptically about the Bills handling of Morse too. Morse had 3 concussions in 4 years with KC. 2 in a short span in his rookie year (2015). He should have missed more time after his first IMO. 2015 - week 11 - missed 1 game - cleared protocol to play in week 13 2015 - week 17 - missed playoffs two in 5-6 weeks - sounds familiar. Had time to rest and recuperate. 2018 - week 6 - 5 weeks to return (duration getting longer) KC declined 5th year option. Signs with Bills. It had been 3 years between concussions. But the guy did have 3 in 3 years before ever putting on the red, white and blue. He has had 3 more since in a Buffalo uniform. 2019 - Training camp - less than a year from last concussion, missed entire offseason and TC. 2020 - November vs Pats - missed 2 games 2021 Draft - Bills could draft Humphrey at #61, draft Boogie Basham instead. KC drafts Humphrey (replaces Morse) at #63. Humphrey to Pro Bowl as a rookie. 2022 Draft - Bills could draft Linderbaum at #23. draft Kaiir Elam instead. Baltimore drafts Linderbaum at #25 (started 15 of 15 games so far), 2022 - December vs Miami - 6th concussion, not even a violent hit. Missed # games? It's clear as day Morse is going to have more problems with concussions. How many is enough? TSW like knocking Miami for its handling of Tua. Ironic given Morse.

It has swung that way as the season has progressed. 3 of the 4 top offenses are in the AFC. Defense is different. Defense: 49ers Cowboys Eagles Bills (injuries to Hyde and Miller) Cincy KC The NFC has two-three of the top defensive teams that can turn a game on its head. Dallas and SF can get turnovers and score on defense. None of the top 3 AFC teams can do likewise with the same consistency. Philly and Buffalo have 'suffocating' defense when they play best, but they depend on the other team losing patience, or the offense to run up the score and force the opposition away from their game plan. If Buffalo had Hyde and Von Miller as planned, maybe Buffalo would be in the 'score on defense' ability. Philly/ Buffalo/ Cincy and KC defense is predicted on their offenses forcing pressure on the other team. Dallas and SF can force their will defensively. I would put Cincy and then KC as last among the top 6 teams in the ability for the defense to impact the game independently of the offense. Among the AFC I would still have to put our D#1 among the top 3 teams. That can help get past KC or Cincy in an AFC playoff run. It would be easier with Miller or Hyde. Should the Bills run the gauntlet of the AFC, thankfully they only have to play one of those nasty NFC defenses.

Sorry for the verbose reply. I had almost the same situation. I suffered 2 concussions in a six week span in High School and that was the end of organized football for me. My experiences in High School are not indicative of all concussions and it happened many years ago, science has evolved, money was not involved, but having lived through it I'd like to share my experience with the board. First concussion - took a blow to the head, most considered it an illegal hit (helmet to helmet). Symptoms were obvious. I had trouble getting up and walking. Immediate dizziness, staggered motor coordination and mental confusion. A lot like Tua in the Bills game. From what I understand this is what the spotters are looking for in the NFL. By that definition the spotter/ neurologist/ Dolphins were negligent in the Bills game. Miami did replace those people. He clearly was staggering after that blow. I was taken out of the game and evaluated as much as a high school in the 90's could. I had to get medical clearance to practice and play again. Doctor confirmed a concussion and I had to miss 4 weeks of practice and games. Could only play again if symptoms cleared. They did in a day or two, I was cleared 2 weeks later and I was back at it after the 4 weeks elapsed. Second concussion - Second game back I stretched out for an overthrown ball and the safety knocked me out cold. Violent but clean hit. He mostly hit my armpit and shoulder area with a shoulder pad hit. Some combo of the hit, my own shoulder pad hitting my helmet and the neck whip from the severity of the hit knocked me out. I was told I did not have what wold now be called a 'fencing position'. I just got knocked out cold like a boxer. I remember stretching for the pass and hearing a crack. Apparently it was the loudest hit many people had heard and people were immediately running onto the field. I came to, flat on my back, with a dozen or so people staring down at me. The odd thing with that second concussion was that it was seemingly less direct contact with my head. I felt almost no immediate symptoms, except double vision. 'Double vision' is a bit of a misleading term. For me the edges of objects were clear, but there were two edges to everything, like having two photo negatives on top of each other but spaced apart by just the smallest amount. I had none of the other symptoms I experienced from the prior concussion. I was back in in the second half. I was mentally clear. Nothing else indicated a concussion. As the game wore on my concentration started to lapse. Not unlike Tua vs Green Bay. Things got progressively worse that night. Bad headache and confusion set in. Light and sound started to give me terrible headaches the next morning. I had ringing in my ears to go with the double vision which had not cleared up. Met with my doctor that day and he told me it was another concussion, and that I should not play football anymore, at least let the season end without playing. He told me my risk of another concussion that season was very high, and my risk for more concussions in general was now higher. In the long term his would do bad damage to me, including symptoms that may not go away. That was @30 years ago, but even then doctors knew once you get a concussion, it gets 'easier' to get them more frequently. Especially in a short time span. I think this is why a lot of doctors were suggesting Tua sit out the rest of the season back after the Cincy game. My criticism is for Miami to not sit Tua for the season after the Cincy game, and admit the blow in the Bills game was probably a concussion. From my experience, It is possible for concussion symptoms to be delayed. They are not always immediate. My symptoms were delayed on my second concussion. For Tua it was his <probable> third. Each concussion can yield worse symptoms, delayed or immediate. Football is a tough violent sport. But IMO being 'tough' does not mean repeatedly putting yourself, or allowing a player with a series of concussions, to put themselves at risk for long term neurological damage. I know comparing my experience to a pro is silly in a lot of ways. On the other hand I hope sharing my experience helped answer some questions about concussions for those who have never had them, much less in rapid succession. I really wish the Bills would have moved on from Morse two years ago. I have been pretty vocal about this. I like Morse the player, he has been very good for the Bills on and off the field, but I worry about his long term quality of life. Other options have been there in the draft and FA, and even on our own roster as a Plan B (Feliciano/ Bates). I have to think Morse's concussion history is why KC made him available in the first place. KC did not want to enable him anymore. That says a lot for an org that has made some very questionable player decisions in the recent past. I give Tua credit for being forward about his symptoms after the game. I know personally that they can be delayed and get worse. Some of the reactions on social media have been ignorant and outright ugly. It is clear as day to anyone who has had a concussion history, or is familiar with those injuries that Tua has had three concussions this season. They are happening in rapid succession, from less and less violent impact, and reading between the lines the symptoms are becoming delayed and worse. As much as I criticize the Dolphins for the handling of Tua, my own experiences and those of Morse make it a bit of a 'glass house' argument to be throwing stones from. There is a level of freedom and independence I have to agree with and want all people to have, including Tua and Morse. But there is also a social responsibility to provide honest feedback, information and intervention to stop enabling self destructive behavior. I do think Tua should sit the rest of the season and take some time to evaluate where he is, and understand that he is now at much higher risk for more concussions and long term damage. I would be a hypocrite if I did not point out that OBD and Morse should do the same.