RocCityRoller
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I see two top 10 LB, a DL and a top 10 OL in our future and then Rudolph or White in the third.
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No, there is not enough difference between QB2 and QB5.
For Sam Darnold, yes.
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4 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:
Weren't these guys rated worse then Ducasse last year and he was the whipping boy everyone wanted to chase out of here cause they didn't think he was good. Now everyones happy they sign 2 of the lowest graded linemen from last season, even if its only to be a backup?
Perhaps you are being sarcastic.
Since Wood retired, Glenn was traded and Henderson is gone they get former starters in the league. How dumb.
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On 3/18/2018 at 6:33 PM, BuffaloRush said:
Doesn’t change the fact that if you don’t have a QB in the NFL you don’t win on a CONSISTENT basis. We have 17+ years of our own data to back that up. The NFL has much more. The Bills need to draft a Qb
I get it, you love Josh Rosen. Everyone here does. The Bills are where they are because they refuse to draft QBs in general.
No team has drafted fewer QBs in the top four rounds than Buffalo over the past 20 years. That has to change. I think it will.
Buffalo is not getting Rosen. Let it go.
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Is Mark Davis a burn victim??
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I get the point, and though I don't agree 100% with this draft, yes I agree with building a team but still draft a QB.
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On 3/17/2018 at 11:34 AM, baskingridgebillsfan said:
I don't think the Jets can get to two because the Giants are not going to trade them the pick
no one said that buddy
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Inside out
NFL starters fighting for a roster spot at C and OG. Very good moves for starter and depth, though C/OG is fairly deep in this draft.
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Deep C/G draft. Would be silly to pass on Price/Daniels if available in round 2-3.
I also see LB being drafted early and often.
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11 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:
Baker would be a good fit for the Jets in the tradition of Broadway Joe. You don't want to draft a shrinking violet in NYC. I think that's why Eli is a bit of a meh QB in NYC despite the Super Bowl win. He just doesn't have a big enough personality for that city and those fans.
two Super Bowl wins, reloading for 3
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3 hours ago, PIZ said:
1. Browns - Sam Darnold QB
2. NYG - Saquan Barkley RB
3. Jets - Josh Allen QB
4. Browns - Quenton Nelson OG
5. Broncos - Bradley Chubb DE
6. Colts - (trade to Bills) Bills get Josh Rosen.
Could happen and they wouldn't have to give up the farm.
best case scenario
or potentially a draft like (Matt Miller (Bleacher Report), (NFL needs) Difficult setting:
12: R1P12LB TREMAINE EDMUNDSVIRGINIA TECH22: R1P22LB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCHBOISE STATE53: R2P21QB MASON RUDOLPHOKLAHOMA STATE56: R2P24C JAMES DANIELSIOWA65: R3P1G AUSTIN CORBETTNEVADA96: R3P32RB RASHAAD PENNYSAN DIEGO STATE121: R4P21EDGE OGBONNIA OKORONKWOOKLAHOMA166: R5P29WR DEONTAY BURNETTUSC187: R6P13TE TROY FUMAGALLIWISCONSIN-
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1 hour ago, Bobby Hooks said:
Yeah, I’m open to something along those lines. If you proposed that to me before the Jets trade I would have tried to bite you.
I was all all hyped on moving ahead of everyone and nabbing our guy. Media was helping the cause, which is probably why the Jets felt the need to move so fast.
The trade was a bitter pill. No way around it. All we can really do now is wait and hopefully have some contingencies in place like you said.
just looking at the facts now. It's still a good situation. Did a recent mock on difficult setting w/o trades and ended up with:
12: R1P12EDGE HAROLD LANDRYBOSTON COLLEGE22: R1P22LB RASHAAN EVANSALABAMA53: R2P21DL DARON PAYNEALABAMA56: R2P24C JAMES DANIELSIOWA65: R3P1QB MIKE WHITEWESTERN KENTUCKY96: R3P32WR D.J. CHARKLSU121: R4P21OT GERON CHRISTIANLOUISVILLE166: R5P29RB KALEN BALLAGEARIZONA STATE187: R6P13CB BRANDON FACYSONVIRGINIA TECHGot the top Edge rusher (6.1 grade), top 3 LB, top 3 DL, top C, best QB prospect after Rudolph, #4 WR with 4.3 speed and 6'3" size, a swing tackle, a 6'1 227 back with 4.46 speed (KR/PR and 3rd option at RB), and a 6'2 cb with 4.53 speed
Build the team, with 100 million next year you can buy a QB if McCarron, White, Peterman can't do it
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On 3/17/2018 at 1:07 PM, jrober38 said:
Nope.
The Giants want Barkley. They haven't had a run game in years and Barkley in the back field with Beckham on the outside would be lethal.
Until the Giants know for sure if Barkley is available, they're holding on to the pick.
If (when Barkley) goes #1 overall, the Giants will trade down and stock pile picks.
Why would Cleveland trade down, when in this scenario Cleveland went Darnold/Rosen #1 and then could pair up that Qb with Barkley at #4?
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5 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:
Perfect QB for us. After all Santa says Rudolph plays good in the snow.
and he has a shiny nose to lead a band of misfit toys to redemption, actually I like him at 22 a lot.
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need a backup and camp battle at every position. Would like to go for Billy Price in second though.
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22 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:
Trading down after trading up to #12 would be a colossal fail for Beane and the entire front office. There's about a 0% of this happenning
So wait a minute.
Getting SB MVP QB Foles, keeping #22 and having 3 second round picks is a colossal failure in your book?
Bills could then package #22 and a 2nd or third to move back up in first and get the defender they want (say a stud LB)
Foles, stud LB and 2-3 second round picks is your vision of failure?
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9 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:
The whole premise of your post is assuming I thought we could have gotten Indy’s pick.
Since thats not the case, and I myself said they weren’t interested in moving back to 12 I’m really not sure what you’re trying to tell me here.
I agree 4 is where we should make our move if the draft falls the way I hope it will. And we certainly have enough ammo to do it.
Nothing would make you happier than Darnold, and Rosen being taken at 1,2, leaving Mayfield to the Jets?
Thats where you lose me. That’s the worst situation possible.
Fair enough, I didn't see any mention of what pick in your post, and also the scenarios that could play out, or for what QB.
I am good with a wait and see approach now, with a few contingencies built in.
Another poster made a thoughtful post about the situation. If QBs go 4 in the top 10, and the highest BPA come off the board, then trade back from 12 for a later #1 and #2. Use the late 1st rounder to go after Foles, keep #22 and the third #2. Make moves/picks as warranted. Foles, 1st round LB, and three 2s to address OL, DL, WR would be pretty hot. The Jets move sucks, but Buffalo as a lot of capital to make things happen.
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3 hours ago, Bobby Hooks said:
Does that mean food and water is overvalued because we need that?
Terrible idea. We have the ammo to get a good one this year.
If Mccarron beats the odds and works out you have even more trade ammo the next year. If not, you have a legit blue chipper sitting behind him.
No we don't, and no we didn't. Indy was very clear in stating they did not want to move out of the top ten. Buffalo had no top ten pick. Not enough ammo.
The Jet's did make a bold move and and sold the farm. Funny thing is now Cleveland has to draft the QB they want at #1 now. The Giants could still draft Eli's heir apparent, leaving the Jets with the 3rd QB and having not much else this year. Do you want the Bills to trade it all for potentially the #4 QB?
If the Giants go QB, and the Jets have to pick a QB now, Cleveland can get Barkley to pair with their new QB of the future. Why would they trade that away?
The Giants can get Eli's heir, or a stud to help Eli make one more push and ring #3. Why would they trade that away?
Only if Cleveland pulls a Cleveland and doesn't draft a QB, even after the Jets have telegraphed their move, and the Giants draft Eli help to make one more run does trading for the Cleveland #4 make sense. That is quite a few 'Iffs'.
You need a partner who wants what you can offer, and the draft to fall properly.
I'm all for having a deal in place with Cleveland for #4 ahead of the draft, but waiting to pull the trigger until the draft unfolds. If not let the draft work itself out and see who falls to #12. If QBS go 1,2,3 a franchise Defender or O-lineman is going to fall to 12 If not a top 4-5 QB will probably fall, and the Bills could still add a DT like Payne or LB like Vander Esch at 22, or the Bills could then take a QB at 12 and move up from 22 to get the defender/ O-lineman they want.
Patience grasshopper
Nothing would make me happier than Browns taking Darnold, Giants taking Rosen and the Jets left with Allen/Mayfield/Jackson at #3 after blowing their draft capital this year.
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1 hour ago, buffalover4life said:
Whatever it takes if he makes it past the jets. Its not an easy process to acquire this draft capitol and it will only get harder to get as we continue to win and players become staples of this franchise. Now or never
you can not force another team with a top 5 pick to trade with you. The Bills did not have what the Colts wanted, a top ten pick.
I would laugh my butt off if the Browns and Giants both end up taking QBs and the Jets wasted all of that draft capital to not get their guy.
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10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
He's a borderline 1st round pick because of measurables and not someone who requires a trade up. Darnold will be gone at pick one IMO, so I believe they like someone else enough to move up and hopefully it would be Rosen if they get it done.
like I said, that is just an example of a guy who maybe they want. It could be an OT, 3 technique DT, Edge player etc. so they went up to 12 to get whoever that it is.
back to the OPs point maybe Allen and Rudolph and someone else at QB are all rated similarly and they will move from 22 with another pick/s to get that guy.
Just trying to make the point the move to 12 wasn't necessarily done for a qb, maybe it was. We will see in a few weeks.
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2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
That we realize, but have you heard Beane talk about how important acquiring a franchise QB is to the future of the Bills? I haven't heard that much emphasis being put on MLB by him.
Van Der Esch was just an example of a McBeane type fit that they could have moved for. It could be any position. I just pointed to that one as a reasonable example.
Maybe they have 2-3 QBs ranked all very close and are ok not spending the farm for one of them. Sam Darnold is the only guy I can really see a team sacrificing a good chunk of the draft for.
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8 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
If Rudolph were "their guy", they could have stayed at 21 and 22 w/o the need to move up at all.
maybe they want some guy at another position that would not be there at 21?
they have to draft positions other than QB
maybe a guy like Van der Esch, who compares in many ways to Luke Kuechly.
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RIP to a one of a kind owner,
A moment to recall the Benson Boogie
great reaction at 1:46
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3 hours ago, Fadingpain said:
My concern is Rosen's frame/body. It's not "heavy duty" sized or made for the NFL.
He looks like he could be injured every 4th time he hits the turf.
the concussions and other injuries should be checked out and are a potential red flag regardless of the other stuff imo.
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What if the Jets are pulling a Rope-a-Dope and draft Barkley
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Even the Jets don't mess this up. Rosen in NYC at #3 makes sense.
That does mean the Giants take Rosen at #2.