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My most recent Fanspeak mock draft (no trades allowed) Rankings: Bleacher Report - Matt Miller (considered among the best on mock sites) Needs: Fanspeak - pretty accurate, updates often Difficulty level - Difficult 12: R1P12 QB BAKER MAYFIELD (6.03) No brainer here, can't believe he fell. Got a top 3-4 QB without selling the farm OKLAHOMA 22: R1P22 LB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCH (6.25) QB for the defense. A total McBeane type player, the most Luke Kuechly/ Brian Urlacher MLB in this draft and a stud in the middle for 10 years. BOISE STATE 53: R2P21 OT JAMARCO JONES (5.8) LT for Buckeyes. Gives flexibility to slide Dawkins to RT where he was drafted for. Pair of bookend tackles set for AJ and Baker Mayfield. OHIO STATE 56: R2P24 WR JAMES WASHINGTON (5.76) Complete WR to pair with Benjamin. One of Mason Rudolph's go to weapons. Passed on DJ Chark, tough choice, sub Chark here if you want OKLAHOMA STATE speed, though Washington excelled at long plays. 65: R3P1 DL TAVEN BRYAN (6.35) The guy who fell out of the top two rounds. Rebuilding the D front 7 in earnest. Grades higher than Hurst, Phillips and Settle on NFL.com by a FLORIDA mile. Gets to learn from Kyle Williams for a year. 96: R3P32 LB JOSEY JEWELL (5.57) Continue building to McDermott's strength. Potential ST captain, depth and competition at MLB, could have gone interior O-line here.... IOWA 121: R4P21 RB BO SCARBROUGH (5.5) Example of quality RBs that can be found in rounds 4-7. Youth in RB room, one cut freight train. Comes from a winning program. ALABAMA 166: R5P29 LB FRED WARNER (5.64) True OLB, productive cover LB. Can compete to start right away in weak LB room. 6'3 227, could give TEs a problem. BRIGHAM YOUNG 187: R6P13 CB ISAAC YIADOM (5.64) With the better C/G drafted and most other holes addressed went with BPA at corner. 6'1, 190, 4.52 speed. Adds depth to CB room. BOSTON COLLEGE In review, maybe I would have passed on Josey Jewell at ILB at end of round 3. Could have pulled the trigger on an interior lineman to help rebuild the O-line for AJ and Mayfield. Other than that very very happy with this draft. Could have gone DJ Chark over Washington, and maybe waited on a RB, though something tells me Scarborugh will be a very very good short yardage NFL back. If nothing else I think this helps show how deep this draft can be. It looks like one of the deeper drafts in recent history. There is a value to staying put and letting a draft fall to you, while addressing needs. If I had gone DJ Chark at WR at the Bills third pick, NDIrish and I had the same first three picks in two completely different mocks.

I've now seen everything, thank you internet

I usually gag at half a bag

no, he sucks. why would we want another team's garbage?

bump to get off the round one and two discussion some interesting players mentioned

can not agree more. It was one of the most vicious and clean hits I've seen. I thought Boomer was dead. I remember Bruce celebrating, looking down and then waving for Bengal trainers himself. "Bad things" indeed. Boomer Esiason Q: Carl J. (Hoboken, NJ) – Hi Boomer. Love seeing you on TV and listening to you on Monday Night Football. Was wondering… what’s the hardest hit you ever took when you were playing in the league? A: Thanks a lot for bringing this topic up! The hardest hit I ever took came courtesy of Bruce Smith in a game in 1995. He came around the end untouched, absolutely flattened me and I ended up with a concussion. I’ve never been hit by a freight train, but I imagine it is a similar experience. Boomer talking about it later

Funny, I seem to recall Indy has been to the playoffs 3 of 6 years since drafting Luck, making the AFC Championship once with 0 Super Bowl appearances in that span. Each year they had to play in the wild card round, so 0 first round byes, and it's not like they had the Pats, Steelers or Broncos in their division. In 5 years, not counting the year he was knocked out, he is a whopping 9 games over .500. That equates to 9-7or 10-6 depending on rounding (+1.8 games over 8-8) And Indy did not have to sell the farm to get him. They had the pick from tankng, and did not have to spend insane draft capital, or trade away NFL contributors to get the pick to do so. This is not 'house money' as another genius posted. You would think that a team picking the consensus best QB, with its natural draft pick, coming off of multiple playoff appearances in the 5 years before him, in a weak division would do better. But we at TBD should drink the Kool-aid to trade a 1 this year, give up an additional 1 this year and next, and possibly 2 seconds to get the second or third best QB in the draft. All of this despite having one of the oldest rosters in the NFL, and coming off of 1 playoff appearance in 18 years. All to select a guy that quit on a sport when he needed surgery, had a 17-13 record, is not a cultural fit at all, has already had multiple shoulder injuries and concussions, and the team will have less draft capital in the first two years to build around him. Yeah, I'm sure Buffalo betting the house on Rosen will do better than Indy with Luck.

That 'cocky punk' Baker Mayfield. Walk on player to Texas Tech when every major program passed on him Transferred to Oklahoma and just became a Heisman Trophy winner 'Well he has a strut in his step, what a cocky SOB.' So did Jim Kelly. He was an @ss till he grew up. Imagine being a 2.0 GPA high schooler and becoming a neurosurgeon after finally being challenged in an elite school. I want Baker Mayfield more than any other QB in this draft. He is Buffalo and WNY personified. Overlooked, left behind and discounted. Yet continues to fight, and will be successful regardless of the odds. TBD can be Josh Rosen crazy, but If Darnold, Rosen and Allen go by #5, then by all means do everything you can to get this guy. He has 'It' and I think he would fit into Buffalo very quickly and be a legend when it is all said and done. Like Mark Twain said, it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog. And oh yeah, this arrogant jerk found the time to call McKenzie Asher's family within 48 hours of winning a Heisman and knowing she died.

You and 26corner keep saying things like this, assuming Rosen is the face of the franchise for 10+ years. How do you know that? You don't. No one does. I'd rather take 1 pro bowler, 1 borderline pro bowler / solid starter, 1 solid starter, 2 disappointments than a try at a borderline franchise QB, especially in a QB deep draft. Do you want to hope you land Andrew Luck, and have a weak team, or draft a QB with a few questions and build the team? That is the question. How has 'can't miss Andrew Luck' done without a team? and it's not 'house money' this team traded away its starting QB, LT and #1WR (2 firsts) for these picks. The OP is like the guy gambling on his credit card because, 'Hey its free money if I win'.

Thanks NewEra But I don't want this to be a Wadley is great thread as much as who in 4-6 could help thread. Any ideas? Another idea, kept showing up as best CB available in mock drafts at 5-6 rounds CB Bandon Facyson, VA Tech, 6th round target Rated 5.4 on NFL.com 6'2", 197, 4.54 speed Doesn't have man on man speed, but could be a contributor in a zone scheme with ability to play physically, and good length. Plays the boundary well. Seems to be a natural leader in the locker room. Passed Brandon Flowers among most passes defended in VA Tech history. Play may get penalized in NFL. OR RB Bo Scarborough, Alabama NFL.com grade 5.58, 6'1, 232, 4.5 speed, 40" vertical, 129" broad jump Avg mock draft position 4-6 rounds Need youth at RB, from winning program, insurance as RB thunder is Ivory fails. A bit one dimensional.

Perhaps the point is that because the Bills traded the first round pick in 2005 to pick up the third best QB prospect in 2004 (JP Losman), they missed out on Aaron Rogers in 2005. THE BILLS DID NOT HAVE WHAT THE COLTS WANTED. FIGURE IT OUT, THEY DID NOT WANT OUT OF THE TOP 10. YOU CAN'T TRADE WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE. In some ways this is worse than the BBMB in it's tunnel vision and group think. The Bills are not getting Darnold or Rosen. What is the next best move forward?

For the last time. The Colts did not want to trade out of the top 10. Buffalo does not have a top 10 pick. Further discussion of this shows an inability to live in reality. "We still wanted to stay in that top position in that top 10 where we could still get a premium player," Ballard said in an interview with the Colts' website. "We feel at (No.) 6, we’ll still be able to acquire a premium player. Plus, being able to pick up the two 2s this year and the 2 next year, that gives up four picks in the top 50 picks of the draft and then three next year — one in the first and two in the second. "It gives us a chance to really replenish our young talent and start building a core of young talent like we need to do." - Chris Ballard, GM of the Colts Go figure the Colts wanted a top 10 pick, and a bunch of seconds to build around Luck. https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2018/03/17/colts-trade-no-3-overall-pick-jets-no-6-3-second-rounders/434855002/

Without a team how far has Andrew Luck gone? Giving up everything for Rosen here is the same.

Let's look at draft value picks the Bills may find in the 4th-6th rounds. Please keep the posts to players rated in the 5.8 or less range on NFL.com draft board. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-name/dt-by-position-input:cb/dt-by-name-input:w Please add significant measures, position, college, grade, hype film and why you would like him. One player I have found late in mock drafts is Akrum Wadley, RB Iowa. He was available in the 6th in my last Fanspeak draft when I was looking at RBs Rated 5.4 on NFL.com 5'10, 191, 4.5 speed. Why? Reminds me of Mike Gilislee with better hands. A nice one cut runner with a sick spin move and nice hands. Should be available in rounds 5-6. Good production against top 25 teams despite a shaky passing game. Need youth in RB room.

If Im the jets I draft O'Korn

slowest draft ever..... did the NY Jet drafter slip into coma?

and we should talk, apparently the Bills way is 'naked and out of your mind' (Cyrus K and Z Jones). At least the Pat player had had real weed and his clothes on, until the strip search.

Vander Esch has all the tools to be the 'Luke Kuechly' of this defense. I may not want him at 12, but at 22 I think that he is a steal. You also wouldn't want Penny or Moore?I guess we'll let Rosen play behind Dawkins and Mills, throwing to Benjamin, naked and bleeding, and Streeter. Brilliant moves. Oh and relying on 2 30 year old backs, also brilliant. But hey Rosen will elevate the team like he did in college. Rosen would be in the ER by week 6. I'm all in on Vander Esch as the future anchor of the Defense. I might go for DJ Chark instead of Moore as a compliment to Benjamin, and I think value like Bo Scarborough may be a better pick around round 4-5, but I understand what the OP was getting at. Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome. Group members try to minimize conflict and reach a consensus decision without critical evaluation of alternative viewpoints by actively suppressing dissenting viewpoints, and by isolating themselves from outside influences. Concussions? Shoulder injuries? Quitting a sport when things get hard? TD:INT%, sacks taken Elevating players around him? Opportunity cost? that doesn't seem to apply 'Chosen Rosen' around here. I'm going to enjoy the board melt down when he lands in NYC.

I agree with the OP here. I am firmly not on the Rosen or bust hype train here at TBD. Way too expensive to give up the house for a guy with a 17-13 record, multiple shoulder injures including nerve damage requiring surgery, and two concussions in a 60 day span to finish his college career. This doesn't cover any other potential 'side issues' multiple GMs and scouts have red flags about. Rosen quit on tennis right around the start of high school, where he was a top 50 junior player, due to shoulder injury. After about 8 or so months of rehab and potential need for surgery to regain his form he questioned his commitment to the sport, and he quit. This is where the concussions come in at the end of his career. Once a person has multiple concussions in a short span they become more susceptible to them. What happens if he gets one two more during his rookie contract? Dawkins and Mills are the guys protecting the next QB. His dad is a spinal surgeon. Why would he continue to play after pocketing $20+ million and risk future in anything he wanted (he is bright and would be set for life). Rosen is not exactly elusive and took 53 sacks in 30 games. Two significant throwing shoulder injuries in seven years..... 17-13 record. Most Buffalo Bills related message boards have panned the Bills QBs for not elevating the team and making the players around them better. Who has Josh Rosen done this for? a 59:26 TD to INT ratio isn't exactly exceptional either. Rosen could be a very talented QB, he looks the part in many ways, but there are significant yellow and red flags here. I see Sam Bradford all over this guy. Very good QB skill set, but is injury prone and may not have the heart to be 'the franchise' I still want Buffalo to go QB in this draft. It's a deep QB draft. I also want to see what AJ can do. Despite opinions no one here knows what he can do anymore than any of the Rookies. Remember if a fax goes through then another NFL team would have traded a 2nd and 3rd for him. The Pats also wanted him. This is a deep LB draft too, and the Bills need all the help they can get there, especially for McDermott's D. I'd rather go QB, LB in the first. WR/OL/DL/RB/CB in the second and third. Have a plan but let the draft fall to the Bills.

His dad, 'Pop' agrees

beat me to it

no one 'wants' to go to Cleveland

Sometimes it feels like it will take a miracle, doesn't it?

that ended very badly

must have taken one of those driverless Ubers, and had bodies to bury