RocCityRoller

I'm all for trying out: Dawkins - Teller - Groy - Miller and RT of the week (Mills or Ike B?) as OL#1

He also played well last season in real games, people here seem to forget that.

Agree 100% The second O-line has looked pretty good. A mix of Groy, Teller and maybe Ike B could lift the unit. I'm firmly in Groy's camp now. Teller looks like a football player and all Ike does looks good. He is often in on Murphy's biggest runs. If I could build an Oline for Buffalo it would look like: Dawkins - Teller - Groy - Miller - Ike B or Mills.

It's a 'Manzier' Come on now.

So you believe the national media, and the corporations that run them shouldn't be questioned? It's only semi-literates that question the media or corporate goals? I guess it's easier to denigrate people that don't agree with you instead of arguing the point. I'd argue the opposite. Only rubes and sheep follow the national media and their corporate owners without question. Go look up who owns these media darlings. The coverage of the football kneeling protests aren't about patriotism or social justice. I would argue that it is another attack on anything traditionally American or masculine in the country that can stand up and fight for itself. People on both sides have bought in 'hook, line and sinker'. It is a basic divide and conquer strategy. The national sports media has already painted Josh Allen as a loser. I know what I see when I watch him. He is no loser, and the Bills took a good risk with him. To the OP's post, I don't care what the 'national media' thinks about Josh Allen. They tried a smear campaign on him before his career even stated. Don't you remember the Twitter racism garbage that has all been debunked? The guy was a teenager quoting music and TV shows, and his tweets were taken out of context to make him look bad. What other rookie QB had this scrutiny? Maybe Baker Mayfield, in Cleveland. Cleveland and Buffalo, not sexy or growing. How did the 'national media' treat Shady McCoy this off season? As the story evolved how did things unravel? Shady was dumb, yes, but no criminal. They tried to make him look like OJ or Ray Rice who deserved the punishment they ultimately received, maybe more. I find it no coincidence that McCoy and Allen, two of Buffalo's highest profile players, were targeted this off season. They were painted as 'bad guys' in an era when the NFL continues to move teams to bigger and sexier markets. Cui Bono? Who benefits from stories like these? What is the big picture? You are free to believe or care about the 'national media', that is your right. I defend your right to do so. I don't care about the national media and how they portray the players on the Buffalo Bills, and that is my right too.

I like Peterman, I know it sounds like I bash him often. I'd like him as a QB2 or QB3. I think he understands the game and has value in the QB room. He has the brain and has shown a really nice rhythm. He just doesn't have the physical tools. Daboll would have to craft a Chad Pennington style offense around him for him to be effective. Really good teams can defense that though. Allen is raw but can make every throw. You can't defend some of the things he can do. We just have to be willing to take the good with the bad. I'd understand if AJM is out for a while, if the Bills start Peterman for 4 games or so. Reminds me of when Pederson started the first 4-5 games for the Eagles while McNabb caught up, and I think Allen has a more exciting skill set than McNabb. If that is the case I don't want to see Peterman throwing long, or throwing out patterns. He just doesn't have it. A quick strike, short pass rhythm game is where Peterman can do best. He is not a long term answer though, IMO.

You had me at donuts! Great post btw.

He can't throw an effective NFL 'out' pattern. It's a pick 6 waiting to happen.

I'm well aware of echo chambers, but when the majority of major media companies fall under the corporate umbrella of GE, Raytheon, Electro Boat, Harris and others I begin to question their integrity and motives. You should too. I then seek as many news media outlets as possible, both international and new media. I find it funny people are now defending multinational corporations and their near monopoly on the US media. It seems anathema to me. I have an MBA from a well respected small New York State private college that specializes in engineering and business. When your career fair looks like a meeting of 'Lord of War' corporations who make money off of the death of others, you start to question things. When you realize these are the same companies who own 'main stream media' you begin to really question things and motives. Our debate probably belongs in PPP. I didn't start this debate along these lines here, you did. Going back to sports, the national sports media (ESPN, NFL.com etc) is owned by the same companies. Believe it or not. Since this has to spelled out to BullBuhannon et al. it has already been painted that Josh Allen and the Bills as a losers for picking him. What I tried to note is that the national sports media is not bullet proof. They make mistakes. They may even have an agenda, like pushing small market teams out of the NFL. No you say? What about Oakland, Saint Louis and even San Diego? Do you think Buffalo, NY is bullet proof? Maybe they don't report things truthfully. We all know what we have seen with Josh Allen in games one and two. He is a very promising rookie. Some outlets have said so, some have not, I questioned their integrity then and now. They tend to spin the negative (not that that ever happens). I think Josh Allen looks as rookie ready as any Bills QB I've ever seen. I await the media onslaught. I know what I I see. Do you? I don't care about the 'media'.

Lots of analysis was done as to how Marrone ruined EJ. Look at first down play calls and Marrone and Manuel. The read is worth it. It explains EJs first four game peak as a rookie to slide into oblivion under Marrone. Marrone ruined EJ's potential. EJ was a solid B class starting QB waiting to happen, but needed coaching and stability. Allen is so much better than EJ, but after EJ I don't want to rush any Bills QB. It's wash and repeat. Allen is a special talent, can he handle it so soon? Will Buffalo or the Bills organization handle 4-12 to 6-10 to let a QB grow? If injuries dictate it, go young. Go young across the board. QB, OL, DL, LB etc. Start to build the empire. Take it on the chin this year. Let Allen, Edmunds, Phillips, Teller, Ike, Lee etc earn their lumps together. It formed our best teams. Can we as fans, media etc handle this? Injuries to KW and AJM make us question this. I'm ready to go young. I argued for it at WR, where the vets have looked ok, but not the other positions. Give Teller, Groy, Miller, Ike B. Lets bring on Murphy. Lets bring on the young WR. Let's move ahead with the rebuild and see what we have. At 4-12 to 6-10 go young. See what you have and draft for weaknesses. The KW and AJM injuries have me rethinking everything. Maybe it's not just the WR position that needs a youth injection, maybe it's across the board. Let's see what McDermott et al have as coaches, and teach up a young team.

I don't want him rushed either, but jeezus when he gets in a zone, or needs to fling it.... Allen is special.... how to deal with it...

two words: Aaron Williams never forget

Still idiots, but hey a broken clock is right twice a day.

And you are just waking up to the fact the national media is garbage? Why do you think most Americans go to late night comedians and youtube for news? The national media is far and away trash. No journalistic integrity. Most are run by multi-national corporations.

wait.... Pete Prisco likes anything Buffalo? Am I dead?

Gregg is known for being a bit 'punchy'. I think that that the Cleveland D will be a bit nasty this year, which I think they needed given the talent they have on that side of the ball. I'd take the Cleveland D in Fantasy late. AJM and our 1st O-line handled it poorly. Allen did better but didn't face the full on D. I think AJM holds on to the ball too long in many cases. Both Peterman and Allen do better. The TD throw by Allen was magnificent, any way you cut it. I hate seeing a guy like AJM get derailed by a meaningless preseason game. Let's hope the O-line learns from this or gets a shake up (Groy at C, Teller at G and maybe Ike at RT) to handle these situations better. For all we know, by injuring AJM, Gregg Williams may have unleashed Josh Allen on the NFL a year earlier than expected. G Williams is still a douche bag. If you stand up for him, I question your morals. They want a starter for backup money. Look at Philly last year, Wentz went down and look what happened. Every team wants this, but a Foles back to Philly situation is a pipe dream. Still have to have the franchise QB and then hope for a Reich, Foles etc. I'd be cool with Moore as backup to Peterman and Allen now.

AJM held the ball and had no help from the #1 OL unit or WRs. Broken Collar Bone... horrible break. Allen looked good with a mix of 1's and 2's. Peterman was still solid. Had another pick dropped. Peterman makes me nervous. Allen shined. 3 drives, three scores. Tough break for AJM. Peterman still quick with the passes, but lacks arm strength for out passes. First unit O-line was terrible. Outside of Dawkins, terrible. Got AJM injured, no holes for the running game. Terrible. The second string players, notably Groy, Teller and Ike B shined again. Maybe time for a reshuffle? Dawkins-Teller-Groy-Miller-Ike B? Why not try it? Nick O'leary. I know he has haters, but all he does is make plays. He is a football player. Streater had some nice catches, and Proehl looked good with Peterman. Had a Coleman and Zay sighting. KB looked bad. Thomas looked pretty bad. Lee made more plays. Lee is TE3 as of now. Ray Ray disappeared. Foster is as good as gone. Whole starting D-line was bad. Bad break on KW. Terrible night. Not tested much, but T Johnson and L Wallace at least showed a nose for the ball and willingness to mix it up. + game for both Worried after the first drive. Then something happened. He played lights out from that drive on, flashing sideline to sideline ability and making tackles or assisting. Yes he did. Showed up in the return game and as RB. Still the best RB in the preseason. The other RBs are now officially on notice IMO. Short memory, but Murphy looked aok last year when the 'bullets were flying' No, this was a failure. He did not game plan well for AJM. He did ok for Josh Allen. No deep passes, but maybe he and the staff wanted to see Josh Allen complete shorter passes. With Peterman they called on him to complete an out, which was almost picked. Then Settled in. C+ or B- here. The 1st string D-line was terrible. Later plays when KW ws out showed HHP was still ok. Had a tackle that could have been a sack. Horrible Harry Phillips is a player. Star looked awful against the run and pass. At least do one well. Lee continued to impress, Croom not so much and then it got bad with his injuy (PS perhaps?) Nick O'Leary TBD favorite new whipping boy showed out late in the game. All he does is make plays. + Lee, ++ O'leary. - Thomas. INJ Croom. That's what I saw.

Him Streater and Proehl.

Thinking the weaknesses on O-line could be addressed with Groy and Teller. Maybe Ike B at RT. Allen with the ones? Who knows now?

silver lining moment? More time for Horrible Harry KW returns as a situational player?

Every OG knows you do not let a baby girl looking for a sugar daddy live in the house. Come on Shady, for a wannabe player you are naive. The jewelry is the payoff. Everyone knows this. This should be NFL rookie intro 'how to avoid gold digging hoes' symposium topic one. Get her an apartment, get her a cheap house, invite her out. Do not let her live with you. Rookie mistake.

War winning

Got nothing on Shock G

I disagree with you here. I thought he settled in, read and reacted well and showed some very good sideline to sideline ability from the 2nd drive on. The type of player we expected to see. I think McDermott is putting too much on him for a 20yr old first year player. He shouldn't have to learn a new Defense, call it, and then play. Give Lorax, the vet, play calling (2nd yr in Fraizer D), let Edmunds play, get a feel for the NFL game and the speed of the game, work on his deficiencies. That is enough for any rookie. Next year make the goal to be calling plays. Let the game slow down to him, and then put more on him. I thought something 'snapped' in him in the right way in the second drive and on. It gave me some hope. I don't believe you were not impressed by his sideline to sideline speed.

Murphy looked good last year in the regular season folks. He adds ST and RB abilities. Is shifty, runs hard. Has run well behind any O-line he plays behind. I think this kid is a RB3 lock.