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The results were bad - dont even need to list it out. The eye test was bad - not nearly enough zip on his ball, very deliberate with his throws, lack of presence under pressure. Expectations - the guy was a late round pick. There is no giving up because there was no real expectations in the first place. This is not a former #1 pick. This guy has no similarity to a Manning, Elway, etc. Every guy in a grocery store that used to play college ball could be a Kurt Warner...maybe we should grab 20 ex college QB's out of the game and fill are roster with them so not to give up too early on them.

By all accounts Bills OL was ranked towards the bottom. This is with or without Tyrod. But having a mobile QB did not make the OL look better, but it was helpful in many cases in avoiding sacks.

Bingo

Didnt like the Ivory signing.

No - when we signed Dareus they all said those things. And just like this board everyone said they are just haters and dont know jack.

Franck Reich...

Numbers for a guy like AJM do not mean a lot. If anything they do not support his case though. Rather I suggest watching the film on the guy. You can see some stuff he does better than Tyrod and some stuff he does worse.

Was at one point. He has only had two 100 yard games since 2014...

I think the biggest hole on the offense has to be WR. With Beane saying - "We're very low on money," Beane said Friday. "We could do some lower-level things, but nothing that's going to hit the ticker." What is the plan at WR? Zay Jones and who?

Hoyer and CJ Beathard? Really? Jimmy G was not there until the last 5 or so games. No - he improved and was on the field a lot more. Started twice as many games and his numbers about doubled.

Its not just pff. His numbers have been on a steady decline no matter how you look at it. Hopefully he needs a change to run it around. But DT do seem to be a position with quick declines.

Well thats what the "experts" at ESPN, NFL Network, etc were saying. Obviously no team wanted to give him that.

Hilarious

I could be wrong but Beane is not out there developing QB's. He was in the front office in CAR and is in Buffalo as well. If we are talking about knowing how to select your QB I would argue Beane has never done that. He was not even asst GM yet when they drafted Cam and Cam was the #1 pick.

Some analysis on AJM. I think with AJ we need weapons or its going to be a long season. Really with any QB but especially him or Peterman. Tyrod had the skills to improvise which could compensate for soe of this but not the case with our current QB's. https://www.cover1.net/a-closer-look-at-qb-aj-mccarron/

McBeane is not a real person...

Why should we believe we have the staff to develop a QB? Who on the staff has done this or what examples do we have?

Go watch tape of AJM and Tyrod throws. I think Tyrod actually throws a much better ball than him. It is overblown that Tyrod is not able to throw the ball. I think the issue was 1) Tyrod seemed to hesitate more the past couple years. Was this all on him? Coaching? Lack of WR's and comfort with them? 2) Playcalling - way to predictable and conservative. 3) Weapons? No #1 WR and really not even legit #2, at least healthy ones. Go look at AJM tape. He is not he most accurate guy and does not have a ton of arm strength. I see a lot of N Peterman in him. Without some help from WR/TE's in CInci I think AJM would not even be talked about.

This. Tyrod may not ever have been the long term answer. But he did the best he could and the best he could with the weapons he had. Dont blame Tyrod for the that. Its like he was the Owner, GM and Coach and declared himself the starter because he is the boss. Tyrod did more for this team than many of QB's could have.

Feels like the Bills are declared Super Bowl Champs every offseason by message board fans. We dont sign guys its because we are so smart and building through the draft. We sign them and the GM is a genius. Dont make trades everyone knows trades never pan out. Make trades we are smarter than everyone.

It is pretty widely believed that this team has at or near the bottom in terms of WR talent.

Would people really be happy with ~180 yards passing? Thats what he averaged in his 3 starts.

Exactly

Why do I feel like I have gone down this road many times over the past ~20 years. Lets wait and see before we crown him king.

Exactly - why people think he was getting $20M is odd... Comparing his deal to Bradford and even Glennon makes no sense. Not only were they drafted higher but have actually been a starter in this league.