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Watch the footwork in the Pats game. It was atrocious - numerous examples of simple stuff. Not stepping into his throws, not moving his feet/body with the direction of his pass, etc. Maybe as a whole he has made progress but he is still doing things many QB's dont do in college or even high school. The positive spin on this could be that it shows there is still a ton of improvement once he gets this right. But the flipside is that its just too much for him to handle and he cant get there. I for one am not giving up on him. I think he has a ton of arm potential, toughness and seems to want it. I only chime in because I read these comments wanting to ignore he has any issues, blame others and excuse his bad play. The bar must be higher if we want this to be the franchise guy.

Bad footwork, bad reads, bad by any standard

The "Dirtiness" is my point with the Van Noy hit. That was 100% unnecessary and Van Noy knew it. He saw an opportunity to hurt our QB and was smart enough to know we did not have another one available if he couldn't get up. If the NFL truly cares about safety that is the type of play you punish a guy on more than the penalty and cheap fine. The old NFL it was ok to hit guys whenever you want. But that is not ok in todays NFL and the rules say so. The problem is the NFL does not equally enforce them. Burflict makes that hit on Barkley he gets the suspension he just got. Van Noy does it and its a penalty and lets move on. Gronk was the same thing. Its the intention to be dirty that should be stopped. That is much different than a guy playing hard and roughing someone up during the play. Van Noy v Barkley & Gronk v White were Dirty and cowardly plays with no justification. Jones v Allen was a part of the game. You can say Jones went high but whatever happened was while two guys were competing. Allen going tough for the first down and Jones trying to stop him.

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Like the effort but fail to see an All-22 take from this? Sounded like general comments and opinions from the game.

Or because they released Veasy? If no WR was released I would think it meant something.

This hit was not legal. It was in a players back, when he was defenseless. It is a protected position. It was not part of the play. Showed intent to injure imo. Exactly. Barkley goes out band it is game over as we dont have a QB left.

Why is there not more discussion on the Van Noy hit on Barkley? This is with Allen out and knowing Bills dont have another QB. This bothers me more than the Allen hit in that it looks like a direct attempt to injure him. He should have been tossed from the game in my opinion as it is just dirty and on a defenseless player.

A couple points: 1. So he played worse than Big Ben and about the same as Ryan/Fitz, Josh Rosen and Luke Falk. That is the expectation? 2. Eye Test Counts for something - There were some terrible decisions. 3. The first three games count too and those were not good enough. I can buy this if he was lights out vs other teams and had a tough day vs NE. I feel like threads like this are trying to say "there is nothing to see here, he is awesome and supposed to struggle vs NE". We are setting the bar way too low and making justifications for bad play. I am not saying you give up on Josh Allen but just being real that he has a long way to go. Hopefully the coaches and people around him are able to do their job and help him develop. He is still a big project.

What - we lost and still moved up a spot in USA Today rankings...

I would feel happier for sure. But logically feel the same: 1. This D is really good. 2. Josh Allen has a long way to go. 3. Daboll worries me. His play calling does not seem to outsmart anyone or play to his teams strengths.

This is drastically underestimating the mistakes that put the Bills out of field goal range. Those were huge and key in losing the game. Bills had it at NWE 35 and Allen took bad sack putting them out of range Bills had it at NWE 25 and Allen took bad sack, pushing FG to a 49 yarder which was missed Bills had 1st downs around mid field on two of his int's That is a lot of points left on table

When did Jim Kelly play? This is a different NFL my friend. In today's NFL 250 yds and you are the bottom third of the league. Back in Kelly's day 250 was close to leading the league or at least top 5. So yes, I want better than bottom third and dont care about how someone compares to 30 year old stats that have drastically changed.

It does not seem like many of the people on here have played the game. He was stopped and Jones had no business being involved what? If Hyde or Poyer on that play did not become involved I want them off the field. The QB is running like a RB trying to get the first down and running over the defender your job is to stop him. This hit is 100% on the style of play involved. Josh is thinking "they are jot stopping me", lowers and initiates contact to run the guys over and almost does. If Allen gets lower and not so upright maybe he gets more forward push. But since he is still a bit upright his progress is stopped. Watch the video and switch the helmets and you are liking what your Bills defense does there.

FYI - Last year Hyde was complaining the opposite. How is a DB supposed to stop.

Can everyone agree that Allen had a bad bay? Some people seem to argue that he did not or that it was other peoples fault. Yes, you expect a young QB to struggle vs BB; but he had an atrocious game. No defending it nor is defending it needed. The hope is we have a QB that can go toe to toe with BB.

Well he actually has both so not sure that is a good example...

I dont know. That play was very fast and not much time to think. There are plays when a guy has 5 yards or more to decide what to do etc. This was right there trying to stop a first down. And we can say he should have know to go lower but I dont know - that is how defenders wind up with neck injuries. He is dropping his shoulder as Josh is also both dropping his and being tackled by the other defender. I just dont see anything intentional. I would feel 100% the same if this was the Bills player making the hit.

I have seen a few people say "in the process of going down" or "wrapped up". That was a bang bang play. It all happened fast, not the sort when a guy is being held up or pushing a pile. He was running full speed and hit by one guy and then another within a second or two. Josh has proven to be a guy that can take two guys to bring him down. He needs to slide before the first contact on that play and then he is not getting hit. And to add - second guy doesnt hit him I bet he gets another yard or two for the first. I would be pissed if the Bills player even got the call against them but rules are rules, though until recently that is not even a penalty. Its hard to play football these days though on plays like that were you have to be carefull about how you hit a 250lb QB running full speed. You let up and you are the one getting hurt.

Yep. Play sucked - hard to make the call though. Kind of looked like he tried to avoid and defensive guy stumbled. If He had crashed into him maybe they call it. Regardless, unfair play and wish the Bills had tried similar vs what seemed to be basic one on one routes trying to beat man coverage.

Other than the Bills I have not seen anyone thinking he should have been ejected. Honestly, if that was a Bills player making that hit I would not think they should get ejected. I have seen way way worse hits on players than that. I think pre-concussion protocol he is playing within a few snaps. The problem with running QB's is the refs do start to treat them as RB's and I get it in some ways. On one play they run over a defensive guy and on the next should be protected. It does get confusing and unfair for a defensive player.

Debbie Downer? We have some good and some bad. Allen played bad...fact. Positive - this D is either legit or the Pats are not as good as people think.

So you are happy with this level of QB play? Even coach McD has concerns and says he needs to be better. I can bet there will be QB coaches fired and maybe OC fired if Allen does not show a ton more progress. It is not good enough...

Yep - better QB play and those games are not even close so no comeback required. Those should and could have been blow out wins.

Who cares - I was responding to someone trying to say that Tyrod played worse than Allen. I take Allen long term over Tyrod no question. But lets keep it real, Allen has looked very shaky at times and was downright awful yesterday. Allen has much higher upside but is not a better QB consistently than Tyrod yet. Take away the turnovers, given the Bills field position yesterday I bet they get at least 2-3 more field goals yesterday and win that game with a "Tyrod" at QB.