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I think in the old days rookie TE's dont produce and took a few years. I think this is changing as the position has become a more highly skilled one and more integral part of offenses. The Bills are missing the boat if they do not think the position has value especially with Allen as QB. Look how many of the top TE's in rec yards were drafted the last few years. 1 Travis Kelce KC TE 75 989 13.2 76.1 47 4 12 3 51 68.0 1 2 Darren Waller OAK TE 72 880 12.2 67.7 48 3 10 1 41 56.9 1 3 Zach Ertz PHI TE 79 827 10.5 63.6 30 5 11 0 44 55.7 1 4 George Kittle SF TE 60 754 12.6 68.5 61T 4 12 2 36 60.0 0 5 Mark Andrews BAL TE 54 707 13.1 54.4 51 7 13 1 37 68.5 2 6 Austin Hooper ATL TE 58 640 11.0 64.0 35 6 6 0 34 58.6 0 7 Greg Olsen CAR TE 48 552 11.5 46.0 41 2 5 1 33 68.8 0 8 Hunter Henry LAC TE 43 536 12.5 59.6 30T 4 7 0 30 69.8 0 9 Jared Cook NO TE 34 523 15.4 47.5 40 6 11 1 25 73.5 0 10 Noah Fant DEN TE 35 492 14.1 37.8 75T 3 9 2 21 60.0 1 11 Evan Engram NYG TE 44 467 10.6 58.4 75T 3 4 1 23 52.3 0 12 Jason Witten DAL TE 53 455 8.6 35.0 33 3 2 0 24 45.3 1 13 Tyler Higbee LA TE 40 435 10.9 36.2 33 2 8 0 20 50.0 0 14 Gerald Everett LA TE 37 408 11.0 37.1 33 2 6 0 22 59.5 0 15 Mike Gesicki MIA TE 37 407 11.0 31.3 34 2 5 0 17 45.9 1 16 Jack Doyle IND TE 38 404 10.6 31.1 23 4 4 0 26 68.4 1 17 Dallas Goedert PHI TE 40 396 9.9 33.0 28T 4 5 0 22 55.0 2 18 Jimmy Graham GB TE 32 382 11.9 29.4 48 3 6 1 19 59.4 0 19 Eric Ebron IND TE 31 375 12.1 34.1 48T 3 4 1 20 64.5 0 20 T.J. Hockenson DET TE 32 367 11.5 30.6 39 2 6 0 19 59.4 0 20 O.J. Howard TB TE 27 367 13.6 33.4 33 1 7 0 18 66.7 1

I don’t think you give up on Knox. Kraft is a different story given his cost. Still think you you need to add either an upgrade or complement to Knox. Most teams have at least two solid TE’s. Look at Bal and NE with Gronk and whoever for years. Been a strong position in the college ranks as of late. Talk to scouts, high school and college coaches. Kids want to play TE now and it is turning into your best athlete.

Off mic he was then heard saying "With adequate QB play they are beating a lot of teams; hopefully that QB they have doesn't figure things out or we are in trouble"

Looking around the league there are a ton of productive TE's. What do the Bills do here? I like Knox but the drops are alarming. Kroft seems to be a flop and contract we will be getting out of in the offseason. Looking at the past drafts you have a high correlation of 40 time and NFL success. This includes Engram, Fant, Howard, Kittle as the 5 fastest in the past 5 drafts. Slightly lower you have guys like Hockenson, Smith, Andrews, Samuels, Goedert, Gesecki, Njoku, Everett, Hooper, Henry, Higby. Point is seems easy to hit on a fast TE being successful than a fast or tall WR. Tons of good TE's have come out and still dont see how Kittle was a 5th rounder...one of the best blockers in the draft and a 4.5 40 time. Upcoming draft: Albert Okwuegbunam Missouri Jared Pinkney Vanderbilt Hunter Bryant Washington Mitchell Wilcox South Florida NFL combine fastest TE's here

Those are easy passes that JA has to hit. Just as easy if not easier than the one Jackson hits that you stated was a much easier pass. Jackson actually has Hughes on top off him about to hit him. Allen has open WR's and a clean pocket on both and is throwing right over the top.

Not many are saying Josh sucks. They are saying he had a bad game. He needs to play better in these games going forward. There are many things he could and should have done better. When in a tough situation like yesterday you cannot miss on the chances you have bc you wont get too many. Josh had at least three that he just missed on. Compare that Jackson and he did not have those misses. Bills D played Jackson better than Balt D played Allen. Allen had more chances and missed.

This just makes too much sense and is too rational. You are only allowed to hate Allen or think everything he does is perfect and its always someone else fault.

When there are concerns there is generally much more to talk about. If Allen goes 20-20 and Bills win it is kind of pointless to be in a discussion of - Hey Allen played great what do you think? I agree, that pass to Know was amazing. My favorite was the one to Brown. Some real good takes there... He plays bad it is -how can we fix this? Can we beat a team in the playoffs with this offense? Do we run more to set up the pass? Do we keep in more blockers. Much more discussion to be had. Unless we intend this to be a who is the biggest cheerleader contest?

Bills played Jackson great. Unfortunately he did just enough to get the win. Saw the open WR on the long play and delivered the ball. On his little trick play that is the difference between a TD and FG on that drive. So we shut him down but just not enough. I am curious if the people here saying Jackson sucked are the same that make excuses for our offense every week. You know the we are 9-3 or now 9-4 that is all that matters. Allen plays in the clutch when is needed so who cares what else he does. Yards mean nothing. Blah Blah Blah.

As we saw in the game. What if Jackson misses on their long TD pass. That was the diff in the game. Josh hits on one of his Jackson misses his and Bills maybe win.

Some yes and some no to this. Josh missing the deep balls impact how the game can be called. They literally played one on one with no safety much of the game because they had no concern Josh could hit one of those. That shrinks the field drastically.

Whose D is better - ours or BALT?

One game is never something to be completely dejected over. And what we saw in this game was not unusual. This was the bad Josh sneaking out again. He has some bad habits as young QB's do that he cannot seem to shake. The open receivers he missed were huge. He hits one of those early in the game and it changes things a lot. Balt may have to rethink playing cover 0which they essentially did all game. To me that is the biggest concern still with him and he has to figure that out. We saw Jackson hit the open guy and JA miss the open guy. That was basically the difference in the game. He also needs to get better at throwing the ball away. Most of his sacks he did have a chance to throw the ball away. Cant take those 10 yards losses. Wind was actually not bad so not an excuse. No moral victories. Just because he only played a bit worse than everyone else should not be a positive. He played much worse than Garopollo, who was playing on the road. Muchg worse than Brady who was also on the road. And similar numbers to guys like FInley and Rudolph. Lets not be proud of the that. Higher bar. Took the one one ones when he got them. They played one on one almost every play...

This is the NFL. Most QB have elite arm talent. Its about using it smartly and consistently. That is why I dont like the one pass shows he can do things no one else can. Go watch every other NFL QB throw passes at practice in games etc. They will all wow you. I played in college and there were QB's that never touched the field that could make amazing throws all the time. Why is that negative. Said it was a great pass. My comment was around the no one else can do this idea.

Not taking anything away from that pass. Fine play indeed. But never like the only so and so can make that play comments. Again great play and awareness stepping up in the pocket, but most QB's in the NFL can make that pass. Dont always do it and neither does Allen, but can.

I think most people are talking without watching. Folks should go watch some games and then say it is only because of the system or he would not do well in our system etc. He actually is doing a lot of the same things as Josh. Difference is when he runs he is faster and makes you miss rather. Josh has good speed but not at this level and Josh does not have the same evasiveness. When throwing he has good arm strength to make the throws and has shown great touch. Josh has a stronger arm, but not quite as accurate and Josh needs more work on throwing touch passes. Lastly, both can improvise. Jackson can escape the pass rush and keep plays alive a bit better than Allen.

How can you say Josh is by far the most intelligent? Please dont say his wonderlic score.

Have you played QB or coached QB's? Josh last year was clearly a QB having trouble with the speed of the game. Luckily for Josh he is a tremendous athlete which helped offset that to some degree. The point is that is not desirable and not going to lead to long term success. Hence this year he is much improved on and his running numbers are down. Lamar has success running the ball by design. There is no desire for him to run less because he is ditching the pocket. Two different things. You can win with a balanced attack and good defense. At some point you will need to throw the ball.

Big difference between running because your not making your reads or not throwing a pass that you should and designed runs. Lets not get confused. Lamar Jackson is running designed runs and making reads throwing the ball. Josh last year was having a hard time and relying on his athletic ability.

Beat NE 37-20 and the media pays more attention. Then follow that up by scoring 49, 41, 45. That is why he gets so much attention. If he was winning games like the Bills are it would be a different story. Nothing to see here.

I would probably prefer someone that has played QB or at least football a bit longer... Assignments vs option QB. One player has QB and another the RB. You dont care who actually has the ball. Players learn this in college if not high school and below.

Daboll. I think our fans place higher valuer on him than the outside world. But who knows - anything can happen. We have seen plenty of people get hired because the story of how smart they are without stats that support the story. Sometimes the story is right and sometimes the stats are right.

Hughes Lawson Alexander White Hyde Poyer Milano So 7 of our starting 11...

I think we need less Lorax and go more nickel and dime. Play him like you do an option QB with a guy assigned the QB and another the RB. Play zone in the secondary, keep him inside the pocket and contained.