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She's a culture setter. It's worth it.

12 firsts.

Both. He got sacked but also threw an interception.

I was gonna say, can we trade Allen for 20 first rounders and declare ourselves the winner of the NFL and football over?

It makes sense in that regard... two first round picks plus is way too much no matter where he goes. That price by the Bears is laughable.

Yikes. Rough family situation.

The real question is, will he be wearing an appropriate number next year if he makes the team? With Harry coming on down the stretch (after his benching) and hopefully getting back to pre-ACL level, Eddie playing well, and Zimmer showing some stuff, our interior has some exciting things to look forward to!

In that system he could probably get 1k yards...

Oof. Saw this a few minutes ago and saw "OLB coach" and thought "hm, wonder if this is a distraction for the team. hard situation." had no idea it was Reid's son... Hope the Children are okay. Drunk drivers aren't punished enough in this country.

No idea who this checkmark is: That would be insane.

Hold out hope that Gilliam develops or that Sweeney can come back strong!

I thought we were trading our first to the Texans for JJ Watt?...

I’m far more inclined to believe it this year than I was this time last year.... it worked well for us. That being said - first round picks don’t have value because they produce a blue chip talent (read talent, not product- anyone drafted top 32 is blue chip talent wise), but because they produce a blue chip talent at a cost controlled rate. If the talent turns into a stud player, you’re better off than if you trade the talent for the established player and a big dollar contract. But that “if” makes and (more often) breaks careers. Which LA team scenario do you prefer? Draft blue chip talent and he turns into stud QB and you have a high pick this year to build around him? trade for stud QB and have no picks plus pay him a hefty contract. Clearly the Chargers have the better setup, but the Rams got to their situation cause they tried point A and failed. Drafting poorly leads to desperation and a belief that the draft isn’t worth much.

I mean, yeah. I’m sure he is. Just like he’s a top 15 offensive player in this league according to.... *checks articles* David Carr.....

I mean. Technically speaking Goff doesn’t count as an incumbent. 😛

There are some big CB’s in the draft this year and I’d like to get one just to see if that’s something that could be used to slow down TE’s.

The reality is that both sides need to be very careful as a trade is just as unlikely as it is likely. People pretend players have a ton of leverage, but teams can sit on the contract and dial up the fines if players push too hard. It’s essentially a political negotiation.

Hope he stays, but I’m fine with him going and being average wherever he ends up. Defensive players leveraging success in McD’s system never work out.

This is even worse than the Rams - Pats superbowl. At least I knew for sure who to root against there, even if I still hated both teams.

The trade makes sense for the rams (though pricey) if you’re dropping Stafford on the exact team they had last year... the biggest question around the Rams is what’s to say the Defense won’t regress. they were an okay Defense, got Stanley and became an elite defense... now they’re losing him.... if that defense drops back to okay it’s gonna be a lot harder to argue this much capital was worth a relatively old QB.

Forgot that Barkley is UFA. That is definitely a wrinkle. I guess that’ll be our first indication of what they think of the young kids. As for Webb, I too have wondered if they’re grooming him for a coaching role... maybe a Dorsey replacement if he gets keyed for an OC gig in the next couple years? Not sure how it works for players to go directly from a roster to a coaching staff, but the talk around him definitely makes you wonder. His pedigree (based on that article I posted) screams coach. Completing his AFC East circuit. Also, color me stupid, but I’d be lying if I said there wasn’t .01% of me intrigued by Cam as a backup QB / RZ weapon. 😂

Fan-freaking tastic...

This is mostly from the brain of a guy who is turning his attention to the offseason and is already inundated with trying to figure out which 5th round pick is going to put us over the top as SB contenders (It's South Carolina CB Israel Makuamu, BTW)... that being said, I can't get the idea of our position battle at backup QB off my brain. First off, I don't expect we'll add any serious competition to this group. It's a well stocked room with guys who they like, and outside of a camp arm, I just don't see it. That being said, we have three in house options that are each unique and present a really interesting framework for the competition... 1. Matt Barkley. Obviously he's the favorite to win the job, as it's his job now. I think they like his vet experience and they enjoy that he brings age and maturity to the room. Furthermore, I think he has become a part of the leadership nucleus that gives him an edge over the other guys. These tweets more less started my brain thinking through these situations: (this is a response to Matt responding to Thad's tweet) As you can see, Brit seems to be a leaders among the WAG's. While I'm sure this isn't the kind of thing that keeps a guy his job if he's clearly inferior, with the way this admin values organizational culture and structure, I would imagine they are aware of what Matt and Brit mean to the team as a whole and that is a positive in his favor. On the field Barkley has been up and down. The Dolphins game showed he can still make plays, but it's not quite enough to eliminate some of the questions we've seen (Patriots game last year, Chargers this year) when he's gone in to fill in. The Dolphins game was good, but the whole team whipped them - hard not to wonder how much value that really has as far as assessment goes. 2. Jake Fromm. Fromm has an advantage because he's got draft capital invested in him. A 5th round pick isn't the end of the world, and if he never plays for us/isn't successful it won't be seen as some huge error made by the team. That being said, teams are generally (and our team specifically) slow to be rid of guys they drafted. As far as Fromm goes, we don't know anything about him. As far as I know we haven't even seen any real practice reps from him. I think his time as the sequestered QB was both a benefit and a negative for him - benefit as it gave him a chance to see the game plans and prepare like a starter would (as opposed to running the scout team or something along those lines), but a negative because he probably just didn't get all that many reps throughout the season. Fromm is a question mark and I'm excited to see what he looks like if we get real practice/preseason this year. Athletically speaking, he's seemingly quite limited. I was always uncertain about picking him as I don't love the idea of having a backup QB who is so different than your starter - it seems like that's a sure way to cause the offense to have to change were you to go to the backup. The same issue is present with Barkley, so clearly the staff disagrees with me on that. 3. Davis Webb. Webb is the darkhorse in this. We know very little about him. We know that he was a relatively high draft pick (something like 65th pick?) but that two teams gave up on him (granted, those two teams each had young first round QB's at the time). We know that there were reports that he was essentially running the unofficial mini-camp practices this offseason and was a huge factor in helping new guys grasp the offense (I didn't find the sourcing on this, so if anyone has it, feel free to add it). We know that the team rewarded him for his hard work on the PS by calling him up for the last game of the year. And we know that physically he is as close to Josh of the three (see below article). Webb is an interesting part of this discussion because he has never thrown an NFL pass. Presumably he played in pre-season, but I don't know how that went at all? This article I found made me super interested in Webb, both as a backup QB option, and as a potential future coach some day. He seems to have a real sharp football head. Also, reading the article, all of the knocks that are given about Webb pre-draft (footwork causing accuracy issues, having all the arm but sometimes lacking touch, etc) sounded very familiar to me... https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/how-davis-webb-has-become-the-most-intriguing-qb-prospect-in-the-nfl-draft/ All that to say, I am really intrigued by this situation. Each of these guys has a valid argument for their added value, but I think we'll see something akin to an open competition for QB #2 this year. Two thoughts in close: 1- I personally don't care all that much about the backup QB in the context of who could replace Josh. I don't believe any of these guys could do so at any level that doesn't completely change who we are as a team. Last years team could have seen a backup QB playing well have some success. The team we saw in 2020 was completely dependent on Josh. If he isn't an MVP caliber player, we aren't half of what we were. That being said, I hope we get back to being a team that can help josh/be able to survive if we needed to with a backup- but that's just not the NFL we live in. For every Nick Foles cinderella story there's 30 examples of teams seasons ending cause their QB gets hurt and the backup isn't up to snuff. If they were good starters, they wouldn't be backups. As the great Tom Moore (longtime Colts OC) used to say when asked why backups didn't get more reps in practice: "If 18 goes down, we're f***** and we don't practice f*****." I think our goals in finding backup QB's should be: - Can they get us out of a game/play well enough to give us a shot in one or two games if absolutely necessary. - Can they help the team/Josh prepare and win football games. - Is there a potential to get a truly good QB who might have trade value. I think each of the three above gives us some combination of these three things which makes this conversation interesting. 2- This thread is clearly just a fun thought exercise and is not meant to present a conclusion. I honestly have no idea who will be the best option/who will win the backup QB job. Feel free to give your thoughts. I personally like heading into an offseason where we have the luxury of talking about our backup QB because so many important parts of our team are set in stone.