RochesterRob

You beat me to it as far as Marino and Blackledge go. While there is doubt Marino was a cokehead he apparently had a reputation as a partier which did nothing to help. I would add that O'Brien's career early on was pretty decent. He had guys around such as Al Toon to help.

I still would place all the names you mentioned in the category of good luck. In that their teams when contract time rolled around were still SB contenders. Maybe we are contenders when it comes time for our guy to re-up or maybe we are rebuilding with a SB caliber team chasing our guy. Further, you assume that a QB won't taper off due to health or injury before the 10 year mark. It's nice to image once we get out guy we can pencil him in for 15 years but that by no means is a guarantee.

In the modern era it is fairly uncommon to hang onto a QB for 10-15 years. I don't think that even if a QB's health and production never waivers that most teams can expect to hold a QB that long. Kelly stayed because the area grew on him but we can not count on that happening on a regular basis. There are too many lures such as big market teams, teams that may be more SB ready, preferred climate and weather, etc.. to know we have a guy locked in that long. I hate to say it as a person from WNY but the most likely scenario is we keep the guy for his rookie deal and maybe a franchise tag. After that it is just good luck versus something to be expected.

Spot on. I can't think of a Dolphins back that was on par with Kenny Davis never mind Thurman Thomas during those times. I would not mind White as a guy that will sit the coming season versus expecting to start at some point in September.

There was some team building in each case with the Eagles far along when they did make their move. We have a lot of building yet to do.

And most of the folks banging the table for a QB, any QB, want to ridicule and drive away any opinion that does not match theirs. That's the issue many here have.

Low hanging fruit? That fruit has been rotting on the ground. And I am not talking about Beane but am talking about people who will stoop to anything for some kind of twisted pleasure. I can only imagine how bad their lives have to be to do this. Hopefully, they are not beating the wife and kicking the dog.

This is too smart so it will go over some heads and others will criticize it because you went against the herd. The fact is nobody here knows how any of the QB's will turn out and quite a few times the speed of the NFL is too fast for a college QB to process mentally. That plagued both Losman and Manuel to various degrees.

I trust Beane to go to Plan B if necessary if he thinks that the long term results will be better. People need to accept this.

The fact of the matter is that everybody here and the pundits to boot have no idea as to what Beane did or did not do. Everything is 100 percent speculation from what I have see. If the top of the draft is considered rich with prospects so put the charts away as the only thing that matters is top bid.

If the analysts had any kind of track record they would be working for a NFL team. Other than maybe Kiper I am sure that the paycheck would have to be better working in a NFL team front office versus being a blogmeister for ESPN, CBS, etc.. Keep going. The Giants will not accept a call from Beane for three firsts from where we currently sit. The three firsts and three seconds might make their ears tingle. I still think the Browns take Barkley at one but if he is there at 2 then the Giants have to seriously think about him.

I still don't want to get the 5th or 6th best this year at 12. Might just as well take somebody like White and see what McCarron can do. He would not be the first journeyman to have a break through in a new situation. As said in another thread if the Bills finish the rebuild on defense and fully complement McCoy our QB is not going to have to make 50 pass attempts per game hoping to achieve 350 plus yards per game. Use the draft to get some offensive weapons and grab a QB in the second round. Reaching for QB's for the sake of doing so brought us Losman and Manuel.

I think most of the torch and pitchfork crowd here would settle for a flogging.

There is no way to know who is going to raise their stock as they have not even played their senior season yet so at this point I don''t have a preferred 2019 QB.

At this point a trade up looks unlikely and I never wanted to mortgage the farm over this year's Chevy 4 door then look to 2019 realizing the 2019 model looks more shiny. Anyways, I would rather take a top prospect at another position versus the 5th or 6th best QB. At that point anybody taken is going to need to sit a season so might as well get a guy later with similar potential but lacks the pedigree of going to UCLA, OSU, ND, etc..

Some fans here are still waiting for Nix to take a flogging over that.

"Oh well, we tried" equals "kick the QB can down the road?" I knew people were planning not taking Beane at his own word if it did not fit some board member's vision. As said before maybe the Colts had no intention dropping beyond six. Was anybody from the board in Beane's office to know that he did not give full diligence to a trade? No? Thought so. Can't rule either position out if Nelson or Vea is sitting there. According to some Nelson is the most NFL ready prospect in the draft. Nelson would not be my choice but I would understand the decision.

Or end up with a non QB prospect that graded out considerably better than the available QB prospects.

Most of the time the fans do NOT know what they are talking about. If they did then they would be working in the business.

I don't know that things are that bad at WR. Hopefully, Jones had his slump early and Benjamin stays together physically. That should be a basis along with a high 2018 pick and maybe Thompson coming back.

I can't pull up 2018 at the moment but can pull up 2015 which features most of the same QB's who will play this fall. Projecting 280 yards over 16 games gives us 4480 yards which would be sixth for the league that year. Tannehill posted 4045 yards that year to place 10th. That is a pace of 253 yards per game. Is it utterly hopeless for McCarron to parallel Tannehill's production? I disagree and with 2 one's, 2 two's, and 2 three's at present it provides a good basis. May not get everything but my key word was most. Billy Price's force down due to injury will be key here.

Most of this can be done in the draft and still give McDermott his prized MLB assuming minimal tradeups.

Anything can happen. Favre rode the bench early in his NFL career. I not predicting Favre-like production but just am saying his floor may not be as low as many are thinking.

Don't know until McCarron gets a chance which he will get and give him some help from the draft. Plenty of picks in the first three rounds w/o further trades to get a quality WR, choice RB, and Billy Price along with getting a QB prospect. I still want Roquan Smith to give McDermott the MLB he covets. Can be done and if neither McCarron or the rookie pan out we have next year with close to 100M salary cap room and should be complete enough to mortgage the farm. Just like with cars if you think this year's models look good next year's always seem to look better.

Strong defense coupled with strong running attack puts us on par with Jacksonville who went to the conference title game. We don't need 350 yards and 4 td's from our QB starter each game. We just need significantly better than TT. Maybe 280 yds, 2 TD's (two TD's from the running backs) , and one INT (two on occasion) per game. Reasonably efficient as well.