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Flush this game and move on IMO. Baltimore is a great team and they looked it tonight. A couple unfortunate early drops and coaching mistakes put us too far behind and basically forced us to have a perfect second half to stand a chance. 3-1 and looking the way we have while doing it is still better than I expected coming into the year.

He hurt his ankle or something right before the season started didn’t he? Felt like one of those injuries that will likely nag him all year and I just don’t think he’s that special to begin with. They’ve tried lining him up all over the place; he just isn’t doing much with the opportunities.

Yeah it’s all very strange. Only the Jets lol.

I know the rule with swim moves is that as long as the OL just maintains his hand position, it’s not a penalty when the swim move essentially forces them into a hold. I think that might apply here too but not sure.

They traded their pass rushers for a better pass rusher that refuses to play football.

This feels like much ado about nothing. Arizona likely came into the game with the plan to attack the LBs and safeties by feeding McBride and the RBs. Then Taron got injured and the plan likely became even more to attack those guys. Douglas and Benford are the only strength in the back 7 so the guys they were defending weren't featured much this week. Additionally, the commentators mentioned several times that we were shading safety help over to Harrison to make sure he didn't beat us. I'm sure Harrison will have big games moving forwards.

That's great and wrong and all, but Eli was a sometimes above average starting QB and Lamar is a multi-time MVP.

It is what it is. Eli will probably be a first ballot guy this year and he’s never been remotely close to the level of QB Lamar is. The only active QBs ahead of Lamar in terms of HOF probability are Mahomes and Rodgers.

He could retire today and probably be a first ballot hall of famer. Much weaker candidates have and will get into the Hall of Fame.

That’s true for tonight but he pushed the ball down the field more than almost any QB last year.

Really depends what portion of the media we’re talking about. I think most of the film junkie types prefer Allen. First Take type debate people are more mixed. At any rate, I think these two are pretty firmly the next tier after Mahomes right now.

Of course the pass missed by a lot. Zay Flowers was running full speed away from the ball lol. I do agree it was a gray area there where you can argue Zay should have sat down or argue that the hole would have closed up if he had. Hard to say for sure which is probably why the miscommunication occurred.

I went through my annual exercise of picking every NFL game. For the AFC East, I ultimately landed on: Buffalo: 11-6 Jets: 11-6 Miami: 7-10 New England: 3-14

Yeah, it's 16 (not including Jonathan) so I'm guessing Vidal maybe has not actually signed. Either that or one of the players we already announced to have signed is getting cut.

Not like terrible person character issues, but I think there’s been some buzz that he just isn’t super driven/isn’t tough enough for the new staff’s liking. There was some buzz he wasn’t going to make the starting lineup for Washington and maybe not even the roster at all (but given his pedigree, trade was always more likely than cut). Olamide Zaccheus had passed him on the depth chart and McCaffrey may have too.

Arizona was kind of good when Kyler first came back and before other injuries crushed them. Think I remember seeing they were top 10 in DVOA for a little bit there including what was at the time a huge upset over Philly. They seemingly figured out McBride is a very good receiving TE at the end of the year, Wilson showed some nice flashes, and now they have MHJ there too. There’s a chance they’re one of those surprise teams this year. I personally don’t feel strongly about them but stranger things have happened.

I think they’ll probably just keep him as a 3rd QB but we’ll see. I think he’s a flat out bad prospect but I get the allure, particularly when we have Josh already.

Maybe I end up being wrong but I don't think those two are really in competition with each other. Their skillsets are complete opposites. More likely if MVS doesn't make the roster it's because of Hamler or Beane just thinks someone like Coleman will be able to win deep despite the relative lack of speed. At any rate, MVS is here purely because he's a deep threat. Shavers can be a pleasant surprise all he wants, but he is not a deep threat.

The defense has generally been very good for Baltimore, and like I said, mileage may vary with the OLine. Sometimes it’s been quite good, sometimes not. The run game is effective because half the defense is selling out to stop Lamar on every handoff because he either actually keeps it himself or fakes like he is. He and Andrews have basically been the only skill players with a pulse on offense up until they finally gave him a decent rookie last year. Agreed it was a weak MVP season last year but that would have been the case no matter who they ultimately awarded it too. There just weren’t any great candidates and somebody had to win. I think Tyreek Hill would have been my vote personally but he slipped up a bit down the stretch. For a little while it was looking like he might hit 2,000 yards receiving.

This has not happened.

Acting like MVPs don’t mean anything at all when ranking the best players is frankly dumb. It is essentially given to the best QB in a given year, so of course it matters quite a lot when ranking QBs. Lamar has also basically never had good offensive players around him. He’s had Mark Andrews and occasionally good OLine and that’s it. For most of his career, both in college and the NFL, the entire offense has boiled down to him overcoming the lackluster talent around him. You could say the same of Josh earlier in his career but the situations haven’t been remotely close overall. Having said all that, Josh has been mostly remarkable in the playoffs and while I think Lamar gets more hate for his playoff play than he deserves, he has certainly underwhelmed. Of course the sample sizes in postseason are relatively tiny compared to the regular season, so their playoff resumes could change pretty quickly but at least for now, it hasn’t been particularly close in the playoffs and despite the MVPs, I think it has been fairly close in the regular season. I’d take our guy over Lamar but I think it’s plenty reasonable to have the two of them in the same tier. Mahomes is probably a tier above both. Last thing: Sharpe and Ocho are unserious people lol don’t think it’s worth caring at all what they say.

Players vote for their top 20 players during the season and this is the result. Most players don’t submit their votes, some players are just idiots, etc. but yeah, it relies on at least 100 players receiving top 20 votes. Don’t think there’s anything fishy to it; just a lot of players voting when Lamar is about to win MVP and Mahomes had been relatively disappointing and they voted for Lamar. Makes sense honestly but it looks terrible in retrospect.

If the players voted purely on who had the best season like they’re supposed to (and submitted their votes before the regular season ended), having Lamar over Mahomes makes plenty of sense. But then stuff like Rodgers being ranked or Mahomes over Allen does not make sense so yeah, weird list.

Even the other reporters have been pretty iffy on Maye's performance so far, but should be noted that most of what Volin writes is just to troll Patriots fans. For whatever reason, that's turned into his shtick over the years. Seems like the other reports on the Pats has mostly been that Maye has been underwhelming and Milton better than expected, but Maye has still been better. It's more just that Milton being able to complete a few passes is better than what was expected of him lol and the Pats are running much simpler stuff for Milton vs. really testing the limits of what Maye can do right now.

Pretty sure it was a false start on the receiving team. One of the guys towards the center of the formation started moving while the kick was in the air.