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I more or less agree with this list. I don't think I'd bother trading him for anyone on the maybe list outside of Burrow, though I wouldn't be surprised at all if the others end up being better QBs long-term. Also on topic of the OP, I think Dak would be a maybe for me and I'd probably lean towards doing it (with the condition that he signs a long-term deal immediately). I think Allen could end up being better than Dak but I think I might lean towards locking in Dak, who is roughly a top 10-12 QB IMO rather than hoping Allen gets there, especially considering this team is ready to win now.

This seems like one of many cases where neither team would trade their guy for the other.

Close, but not quite. It's a measurement of wins above an average player at their position. QBs contribute the most to wins, so if you get above average QB play out of your QB (which apparently PFF believes Tyrod and Fitz provided during their time here), they're almost certainly going to come out on top in this metric.

This isn’t surprising. PFF views QBs, DBs, and WRs as 3 of the most valuable positions in football.

I'd take Allen moving forwards as well but that's just me betting on his upside. Tannehill was clearly better this past season and while I think he's overrated, the general consensus is that Rivers was too.

NFC East is clearly ahead of the AFC East. Dak and Wentz are both better than anyone in the AFC East at the moment and Daniel Jones is arguably in the same tier as any of the AFC East guys as well. AFC South is only a possibility if Rivers and Tannehill both fall off significantly (or if the AFC East guys show a lot of improvement). Watson is obviously easily the best QB of the bench and Tannehill was comfortably better than any of the AFC East guys last year as well. I think if everything breaks the right way, the AFC East could pass the AFC South this season, but based on last season's play, AFC East is pretty clearly the worst.

I doubt it's the worst in NFL history but I think it's pretty indisputably the worst in the league right now.

At best, Allen has proven himself to be an average starting QB. The general consensus would probably put him somewhere in the 20-25 range of QBs while I would say somewhere in the 15-20 range is probably more accurate. It's not a stretch at all to think a rookie QB could play at that level, especially one as highly touted as Tua.

They have them as less than a win better. I don't think the gap is very large at all.

The idea that all QBs from a school, no matter the coach, system, etc. can't succeed in the NFL is a worse take. For all we know, Tua will never fully be himself after his injury, but absent that, I'd be shocked if he isn't a productive pro.

I've defended Gore a decent amount around here and Rumblings...he was legitimately an adequate starter most of the year before he gassed out and became pretty much useless as a runner down the stretch. Certainly did not have the space to operate in that Singletary had just due to the personnel on the field when Gore got his carries. Singletary proved he was substantially better down the stretch though even when you account for the context around their carries. And having said all that, Gore is tied for the 28th best RB in the league by these ratings...that just doesn't make any sense at all. I also just can't fathom how anyone would rank Lynn Bowden, a WR/QB that is transitioning to RB this year, ahead of Moss. Even more shocking because I know Miller liked Moss as a prospect. Keeping Bell as a fringe top 10 back is whatever...the Jets were an absolute mess last year and he did the best he could in that awful situation. But some of these ratings just don't make sense at all.

That seems pretty unlikely to me. At any rate, let's take QBR for example just because it's an actual metric we can look at. Allen and Darnold finished 24th and 25th last year. Rookies to rank 23rd or better since 2010 (bolded if they ranked in the upper half of the league): Kyler Murray Daniel Jones Baker Mayfield Deshaun Watson* - didn't play enough games to qualify but he was awesome as a rookie in his 6 starts Dak Prescott Jameis Winston Teddy Bridgewater Andrew Luck Robert Griffin III Russell Wilson Cam Newton Andy Dalton So in all likelihood, there's 1 or 2 QBs in this draft class that will rank ahead of where Allen and Darnold were this past season (obviously not accounting for any improvement those two might make). Obviously this is just QBR; there's many other and better ways to analyze the QB position. But point is, Allen and Darnold haven't been anything special up to this point; there's no reason to think a rookie couldn't conceivably be better and there's no reason to think a rookie couldn't be at least an average starter right away. Obviously we won't know until we actually see Tua play (and I agree with you that I tend to think Fitzpatrick will be the starter at the beginning of the year in the very least and possibly the whole year). But I also think Tua is a very special prospect if he can stay healthy. The only QB prospects I've given a higher draft grade to in the past 4 years are Lamar Jackson, Pat Mahomes, and Joe Burrow. TLDR: Barring Allen or Darnold making a leap this year (which is entirely possible and maybe expected), Tua (provided he's healthy and actually plays) and Burrow should have a decent chance of outplaying those two.

I don't really see how that's a question. Orlovsky obviously thinks Tua will translate right away. It's silly to think it's impossible for a rookie to come in and be an average QB right away and that's obviously how Orlovsky is projecting him to be. I personally had a higher draft grade on Tua (ignoring the potential injury risks that I have no idea about) than Darnold or Allen and it's not like either of them have lit the league on fire so far. It's entirely possible Tua is better on Day 1 (assuming he's even healthy...I still personally expect Fitz to start) than Darnold and Allen currently are.

I don't think this is egregious at all. I personally would rank Allen higher than that, but saying Darnold and Tua are better than Allen is reasonable IMO.

If Allen becomes a top 10ish QB, sure. He isn’t there yet though.

And maybe the most talented roster in the league.

The gameplay itself is pretty solid with the right sliders as long as you're not trying to exploit everything. It's pretty difficult to get certain players to play like themselves though (offline) and if you want to take it online you're obviously relying on finding the right community of people to play against. I really enjoyed the online league I used to play in. I wish EA would create a deeper franchise mode to improve the immersion though. They've taken so many features out of the game over the years to make the mode more accessible/simpler for everyone while sacrificing the options and little things that make it a worthwhile experience for me personally. It's frustrating as a consumer to see that EA basically sacrificed the deep franchise mode to create one simpler mode while 2K for example makes theirs accessible/simple but also includes options to give you the deeper experience that people like me are looking for. But having said that, I can recognize that the on-field product has gotten better in particular the last two years for Madden. It's still behind the old 2K football games in a handful of areas, but it at least feels like a significant upgrade over earlier PS4 Madden games now. Yeah, I agree with all that. I am kinda curious what the sales are for a game like Super Mega Baseball for example though. It's been successful enough that they've continued publishing new versions of the game; it makes me wonder if a company like 2K could publish a generic football game with all the customization options you could ever want and sell well enough to be profitable. I know I would personally buy it in a heartbeat. Seems like 2K is most likely headed towards creating an NFL Playgrounds game though which probably won't interest me.

Yeah, I'm 100% sure you can download a roster now like you're mentioning. I hate what EA has done to pretty much all of their games in recent years, but allowing people to upload/download stuff was a huge breakthrough. I haven't messed around with it in Madden nearly as much as I have in NBA 2K, but if the roster/draft class creation in Madden gets to where it is in 2K, it'll be an absolute game-changer. Being able to download a 1990 roster to play a franchise with Kelly, Thurman, etc., downloading a 1991, 92, 93, etc. draft class to basically recreate history...it'll be awesome if it takes off (and it may have already, I don't know) in Madden the way it has in 2K.

They've added the ability to upload and download rosters, draft classes, slider settings, etc. You won't get an official roster from EA for the 2020-21 season in Madden 20, but I guarantee someone will take the ratings in Madden 21 and upload them into a Madden 20 roster for people to download.

Basically, the rankings are the formulaic team ratings. They think New England is slightly better than Buffalo. But factor in the schedules and Buffalo is the slight favorite to win the division despite being a slightly worse team.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29196114/2020-nfl-season-projections-chances-make-super-bowl-win-division-land-top-draft-spot-more Top 10: Kansas City Baltimore San Francisco New Orleans Dallas Philadelphia Seattle Tampa Bay New England Buffalo Buffalo edges New England out as the favorites in the AFC East (41.0% chance versus a 40.9% chance for New England) due to an easier schedule.

2K is pretty buggy itself, but they put wayyyy more effort into upgrading the game from year to year than EA does with any of their sports games. 2K is pretty much the only company that pushes the envelop with sports games every year but they push it to the point of breaking unfortunately. Still, NBA 2K remains my most played game every year by far and their football games are still ahead of Madden in many areas.

Nope, he was literally playing OLinemen at WR as well as TE and had a punter at QB because apparently the punter has a faster handoff animation.

This was my thought as well. In terms of raw numbers, the obvious choice is John Brown. Coming off a career year and he’s not the #1 option anymore. But in terms of actual play quality, Singletary was ridiculously good on a still small-ish sample size.

I mean, what exactly is your definition of decent? At absolute worst, he's been a top 15 QB 3 of his 4 years and you could make a good case for him being around a top 5 QB for 2 of those years.