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I'm relatively low on Rosen, but he's a more accurate passer right now than Lamar. I personally think Lamar is a better QB prospect than Rosen though. Allen is considered a QB because he can't play anything else. Lamar is considered by some to be a WR because he's a freakish athlete. I have a very difficult time taking anyone seriously that believes he's a better WR prospect than he is a QB prospect though.

Shows how out of touch you are. Clearly you didn't watch Floribama Shore these past couple months!

I think Jackson is "ready" to start week 1 in the sense that I think his running ability will allow him to be successful earlier than most of the other QBs in this class. However, I'd like to see him clean up his footwork in the long-term, and I think throwing him to the wolves would probably make it more difficult for him to create good habits.

Louisville plays in the ACC with Clemson, Florida State, etc. They're playing major conference teams every year. The ACC is generally pretty top-heavy though, so there's definitely some cupcakes within the conference, but it's not like he's playing at Wyoming where they basically don't play anyone. Edit: I don't mean that as a shot at Allen btw; I love Allen as a prospect. My point is simply that having exposure to strong opponents isn't an issue for Lamar; his play against better teams has been inconsistent though (which to a degree is to be expected, Louisville is a pretty crappy team outside of Lamar so the powerhouse schools should beat up on them pretty good).

He should just become a full-time RB IMO. He's no good when he's matched up against corners, but put him in the backfield and play him in a James White/Ty Montgomery type role and you might have a dangerous weapon. With his athleticism, he could feast on linebackers as he motions out of the backfield. I don't have any interest in playing him as a traditional slot WR.

Jackson has a cannon for an arm, is a better runner than Tyrod, more willing to stand in the pocket, sees the field better, and is big enough to see the field/throw over the O-Line.

No idea what the completion percentages would look like when adjusted for drops, but for what it's worth: Against teams ranked in the top 30 defensively: 55%, 256 passing yards, 127 rushing yards, 10 TDs, 7 TOs Against teams ranked 31-50: 52.3%, 343 passing yards, 127 rushing yards, 8 TDs, 4 TOs Against teams outside the top 50: 64.7%, 279 passing yards, 120 rushing yards, 27 TDs, 4 TOs

Personally, I'm not sure I want to dump Tyrod at all; I think Buffalo is overwhelmingly likely to downgrade at QB this season by getting rid of Tyrod. But if the front office has decided they simply do not want him next season, I think a swap with Cleveland makes sense. Gets Buffalo a prospect with some potential. Gives Cleveland a competent starting QB on an expiring deal while they develop their future QB.

It's not really about that though. If Buffalo is planning to get rid of Tyrod this offseason anyways, why not swap him for Kizer if possible and at least have a young guy with good physical tools in camp to see what happens? Worst case scenario, you free up the cap space from Tyrod like you wanted to anyways and end up with a backup QB. Best case scenario is Kizer is able to put it together and become a starter for a fraction of the price of Tyrod. Either way is a win if the front office intends to release Tyrod if push comes to shove.

For what it's worth, a PFF writer says he's friends with a cop in Minnesota who told him Butler missed curfew the night before the game and was found with marijuana.

You think he wants to play for Patricia after last night? I'm not so sure.

If we're getting rid of Tyrod anyways, I'd be fine swapping him for Kizer; I think it makes sense for both sides honestly.

I personally don't see Brady as the best QB, but as one of the other posters mentioned, I don't put as much stock in Super Bowl record as others apparently do. Having said that, anyone that thinks last night HURTS Brady's legacy is silly; he was dead last on the list of the reasons his team lost.

No, at his cost, signing Butler doesn't make any sense for this team.

Based on the games I've seen/mainly the Senior Bowl where he looked to have improved on his velocity, it seems like he can throw with pretty good velocity within 20 or so yards, but he puts a ton of air under it when he goes deep. I don't know enough to understand what could be driving the difference between the two. I suppose maybe he just does a better job of coordinating his footwork and throwing motion together on the shorter stuff but alters his mechanics a bit on the deep ball or something but I don't really know. I certainly think his deep ball, even with his good ball placement, will be tough to translate to the NFL. I think he has enough arm to make the short and intermediate throws though and his ball placement is good enough that he could be an effective starter IMO. Obviously his arm strength doesn't allow you to open up your playbook the way a guy like Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson could though.

It's a collection of crappy QBs. Bledsoe's one season was probably the best, but the last two weren't very good. Tyrod was roughly average all 3 years here, which probably means he was the best.

The number of threads dedicated to this guy is just a little bit much, but I'm very impressed with him; to me, he's the best QB in the draft after the Big 5 of Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfield, and Lamar. Seeing his accuracy numbers and then pairing that with the velocity he showed at practice and in the game at the Senior Bowl, he seems to be a really talented passer.

Nobody is going to give up 2 1st round picks to pay him $35 million for one year and risk letting him go for nothing a year later. They'll be lucky to get anything at all IMO.

You also forgot the part where they no longer get a compensatory pick if they rescind the franchise tag.

You think someone offers a 3rd round pick if Cousins says he won't sign an extension and this team has to pay him $35 million for a one year rental?

They'd have to be a special kind of idiot to do this. I guess with Snyder, you can't entirely rule it out though.

I'd say it's possible but I wouldn't be super confident on draft night that he's actually slipping that far. I'll say this though; 5 QBs have been taken in the top 20 exactly once in NFL history...there's a pretty decent chance that at least one of the big 5 slips to 21; I'd bet it's Mayfield or Lamar Jackson.

Lmao, did he actually say that? I was at the game

It looks like somebody altered the clip to make the ball move in slow motion. Peterman is just excruciating.

There's a post on Reddit right now about how a guy drafted a kicker named Rich Fugger; cracked me up so much. The AI really is pretty brutal in that game; I play in an online franchise with 31 other guys and it's so much better that way.