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I'm with you; was just anticipating that people will try to disparage your post because one of the two years included for Keenum was almost certainly a fluke year. I was pointing out that even with Keenum coming back down to Earth last season, he's still comparable to Flacco.

For those thinking that this is simply because Keenum had the Vikings WRs to throw to and it was a fluke season for him (which it was), here's his numbers this season in which he sucked compared to Flacco's last two years (Flacco first, Keenum 2nd): Comp %: 62.9% vs. 62.3% Yd/Att: 6.04 vs. 6.63 AY/Att: 5.76 vs. 6.10 TD/Int: 1.58 vs. 1.2 TD%: 3.2% vs. 3.1% INT%: 2.0% vs. 2.6% QB Rating: 81.9 vs. 81.2 It's very close.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/deep-ball-project This was done prior to this season, but Football Outsiders reviewed all of the QBs deep balls from the prior season (in which Keenum was a borderline MVP candidate) and determined that Keenum was the worst deep ball thrower in the league. Flacco was 2nd worst and the only QB Flacco had a higher accuracy percentage (different from completion percentage) than was Brett Hundley.

That doesn't answer the question. A slight upgrade over a bad QB doesn't mean Flacco is a good QB.

What in the what?

I don't think so. I don't know that they really intend to use a first round pick on a QB even before this, but I don't think Flacco takes them out of it either. He's a bad starting QB and even in the best case scenario, he's only a short-term fix.

QBR is one number (though I think Tyrod has Flacco beat across the board at this point anyways). There's no way to look at a chart of basically every relevant QB statistic, see that Flacco is in line or behind McCown in all of them, and come to the conclusion that he's anything but a below-average at best QB. I imagine they're committed to him at least for the next year or two unless the wheels really fall off, but this was just an obvious move to make. Flacco was going to be their backup QB while getting $20+ million per year and instead, they get an extra 4th round pick and can go and scoop up a decent backup QB at a fraction of the cost.

I imagine that's the only way a restructure happens; Flacco agrees to take less money while Denver agrees to guarantee a decent amount of it. Flacco must know after this trade that if he doesn't restructure, he simply won't see the end of the deal.

Who else did they get in this trade or are you referring to another move?

Correct, but we don't really care if they get it wrong; we just care if they're willing to take another QB at 10. I don't think this trade prevents that from happening.

Tough break for Denver. I wouldn't be so quick to write them off for drafting a QB still; Flacco is a bad starter at this point and surely they don't view him as the long-term guy there. Elway has been pretty aggressive about taking QBs in the past.

We'll see if my source is right, but I've been told it'll be against the Giants.

I think he'd be a fine pickup (though there may be diminishing returns with stocking up on basically all guys that are purely deep threats like him and Foster), but Brown was trending down before Baltimore ever made a switch. Over the last 4 starts with Flacco, Brown had less than 30 yards in 3 of them.

Think he ends up going top 5 when it's all said and done, maybe top 1.

I'm honestly not all that surprised and no doubt Hunt would fill a major need for this team.

He was my Day 3 sleeper choice from last year's draft; really cool background on him. He didn't even play football in high school; he was a high school bowler (and sounds like he was good enough to contemplate a professional bowling career). He had always liked football though and looked up "How to be a Quarterback" on YouTube and started trying some of the lessons out in person. Ended up having a connection to Akili Smith and Akili let him join him for some training sessions. He eventually asked his junior college coach if he could join the team as a QB and was named the 9th string QB. Through a crazy series of injuries and him just ascending a bit, he eventually got a chance to play, ended up transferring to a Division 2 school, won the Division 2 championship, won the Division 2 equivalent of the Heisman, and here we are.

I can only speak for myself, but I've been saying this literally all year and maybe last season too. The stats are nice, but if you've watched him play, it's pretty clear to see that he's the result of an awesome scheme and awesome surrounding talent. He's a fine QB, probably above-average starter, maybe just average if you're a little more pessimistic. But to me, what makes the Rams special is that their roster is just stacked with talent everywhere and signing Goff to a massive contract will cost them a lot of that talent.

That might be an apt comparison, and I wouldn't want my team to sign Foles either. To me, you either sign a difference making QB or you stick with rookie contracts. Goff and Foles, to this point, are not difference makers IMO. They can get the job done if everything around them is good, but I wouldn't want to spend $20+ million per year on that; would much rather stack the rest of the roster with talent like the Rams have done up to this point.

I don't buy it honestly. I don't think the Eagles will tag him.

I guess it depends on what you think the national opinion of Goff is. It seems to me like a lot of people are coming around to the idea that Goff just isn't good, but maybe that's just the football people that I follow. I think McVay is a very good coach; don't understand the god-like following he has already though. But Goff...I simply don't think he's good. In my opinion, if the Rams are smart, they'll draft another QB and let Goff walk when his rookie deal is up. Barring some serious development from him, I would not want to be the team that gives him his second contract.

I've been seeing him projected for the 4-6 round range lately. We'll see. I think the combine will help a lot in terms of creating some separation between all of these talented WRs. Some people have him listed as like the #5 WR in the class while others have him listed as like the #25 WR.

They saw Allen play like 2 or 3 times. I remember seeing people talk about them never going but there were actually reports out there of the few games they went to see Wyoming play.

I think it's a running joke on #DraftTwitter because fans freak out at every single mock no matter what these people do, but I imagine he also knew he was going to get killed for a lot of this stuff. It's really interesting though because he's very well connected and evaluates prospects as well as anyone out there IMO. I don't know how much of this actually comes to fruition, but I don't think this stuff can be completely written off either. I also agree with a couple of the takes personally, though I have Oliver as the #3 prospect in the draft so I definitely don't agree there lol.

Yeah, the Metcalf pick isn't remotely close to the crazy parts. People are going nuts about, for a few examples: Bosa falling to 3 Quinnen Williams falling to 5 Oliver falling to 28 (Zierlein also says multiple NFL teams view Oliver as a linebacker/edge prospect, not a defensive tackle) Kyler going top 5 Haskins as the 3rd QB taken