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This doesn't take into account injury. I'd rather have him lean lessons in the film room than learn where the trainer keeps the good knee brace.

I thought he did well given the conditions. He had 2 bad throws, the rest were on target, he hung in their under pressure and showed great athleticism. That said I want him to sit, whoever our QB is needs to process and read the field quick, at this point Peterman does that best.

If he does poorly it means he has room to grow before taking the starting job. Once he starts he needs to stay in, the worst thing we could do is the start him, bench him yo-yo approach. So I'd rather know that he's not ready tomorrow as opposed to during the regular season. I also don't want him to start if he is going to be pressured on 95% of drop backs. We don't need to get him hurt, or turn him into Carr. I still remember Trent Edwards before he was murdered by the Cards, he was a real QB but after that he was Trentative. Don't need to risk Allen learning to play afraid, although he doesn't seem to be the type to become a fearful player.

Of course an injury could happen, Luck is a prime example of how injury can derail all development. RG3 shows another failing that gets QB's, work ethic. RG3 was concerned with the "RG3" brand more than with being a great player. His natural ability made him 2nd overall, his inability to work on a team and work hard to improve made him a bust. EJ Sanchez and Kaep were the same player first season to now. I watched EJ play in preseason and he looked exactly the same as he did with us in 2013, same faults. They were also the same faults identified pre-draft. We know that Allen is a team player, his team is already behind him, and we know he can work hard to get ahead. Allen is the quintessential guy for demonstrating what you get with "old fashioned scouting" Arm strength, athleticism, team player, ability to learn & grow and desire to learn &grow. None of those traits show up on paper.

This actually points out what I was saying. EJ was the same player then that he is now, limited growth. Allen has grown more over the last 8 months than EJ has over the last 5 years. If you look at Allen’s past this kind of growth could be predicted, hard working smart kid who was never really coached in the fundamentals, you’d expect significant growth w once they work on those fundamentals. Most QBs come to the draft after having gone through the QB training machine, Allen came out of a melon patch. Even if if you don’t want to get too ahead of yourself with Allen it’s imposible to not agree that he’s grown a lot. If he had this footwork )and the improved accuracy and consistency that goes with it) at Wyoming then he would have been 1st overall.

I like analytics and was against drafting Josh Allen. The analytics were clear his poor statistical performance against week competition predicted a poor success rate. His inaccuracy was sure to doom him at the next level. I bought into it and wanted analytics darling Baker Mayfield. But the problem with these types of statistical analysis is that it is hard to translate them to individual case by case scenarios. When you get to the individual player there are various idiosyncrasies of their story experience and their career that may produce a result that is statistically improbable on the whole but entirely likely on the individual case. For instance if a player put together a great college carrier but they struggle with addiction, injury or laziness they individually are far more likely to fail. The prime example of this would be Ryan Leaf, analytics would say he was as likely to succeed as Joe Flacco was but Leaf's individual laziness, bad attitude and addiction issues meant that he was always going to fail. In his limited preseason game time Allen is demonstrating the opposite of the example above, instead of showing how analytics overvalue some players he is showing how analytics can undervalue one. The issue at hand is coaching, Josh was under-coached throughout his time in football. He attended few QB camps went to a Small time High school, then a small time college. The overwhelming number of QB prospects, especially top prospects went to those QB camps, focused on football in highschool and went to a program far bigger than Wyoming. In other words the concept of having already received top flight coaching is inadvertently baked into the analytics. A player who has not received good coaching naturally has more to learn than a [player who has. Josh Allen has made huge strides (pun intended) when it comes to his footwork, which has improved his accuracy which was the prime concern about his game. Despite the fact that we are in preseason it is easy to see how his footwork is far better than before the off season. If this improvement continues Josh will be the biggest example yet of how the individual circumstances of a player can be missed by statistical analysis.

I watched a 0-5 preseason game between the defending Super Bowl champs and a team that won 0 games. I'm committed to football.

Over three years he had 7.2 YPA, 201 YPG and those numbers got worse each season during his tenure. Over that time we were the 28th, 30th and 31st ranked passing attack. I like Tyrod but its not hard to see why we moved on. It is hard to build a winning team in today's NFL when you are a bad passing offense. Tyrod is too safe to be awful but he is also too safe to win you games.

“Anyone seen Siegfried?, I can’t find him anywhere and we have a show in 5”

I like Marino and NDT scouting. His criticisms are Valid the difference of opinion and why he was drafted highly is based on growth potential rather than current ability.

Webb- Ok I'll let you do it but I'm not looking you in the eye this time.

Many fans, myself included were fearful of the Bills drafting a project QB. We've all see these projects fail more often than not and trap the franchise in the "maybe next year they'll put it together" cycle. But as we know the Bills picked the project and it leads to the question, Why take the risk? As I see it there are two possible answers to that question. The first is that Bills leadership let their Ego get in the way of good decision making, they believed that they are special ans can succeed where everyone else has failed. Its a pessimistic view and seemingly the most popular opinion. But there is another option, that they saw something different about this project. What they saw that was different, size, smarts and story. Size- This is the one we've heard the most about, hes tall, sturdy, fast and has a big arm. It's easy to lump him in with others who fit that description but to do so misses out on how big his arm is. His release is as fast as Aaron Rodgers and his throw velocity is the fastest ever recorded. Its not simply that he has a big arm its that he has the biggest arm. Its reasonable to assume that elite physical talent will help in development. Smarts- Again this one is talked about regularly. Allen did well on the wonderlic and maintained a solid GPA. Those who have worked with him say he is a smart kid who picks stuff up fast and his whiteboard work at the combine was reportedly very good. This should aid his development as he is asked to do more in the NFL and as he learns to better diagnose and respond to what the defense is doing. Story- this one is talked about least and may play a big role in the divide regarding Allen. Before looking at his story lets look at the most common path to the draft that the 95% of QBs take. Early on they attend increasingly more prestigious QB camps, they transfer to go to an Elite High school and focus only on football and then are recruited to an elite program. in other words by the time most project QBs get to the NFL they have already had the best coaching available for 10-12 years. All that coaching has tapped their potential quite a bit. The result of this is projects who develop very little, because the 12 years of coaching they've already had has left little room for growth. Allen on the other hand did not attend elite QB camps, went to a D5 high school where he was a multi sport athlete, went to a JUCO and then a football program about as elite as the UB Bulls. In other words Allen hasn't had his talent tapped into by good coaching before. He is a well of untapped potential. Far from the kids who grow very little when they hit the NFL Allen should grow quite a bit. I think this untapped potential is what GMs were seeing that the internet scouts weren't. So in the end he's still a project, he's still a risk. However when you look at the total situation there is more room for hope than there is with most project QBs. He has talent worth tapping into and for the first time he'll be getting the elite coaching to help him do just that.

I wish we got a lemonback.

Small but moves well? Doug Flutie

Spoiler alert.

She’s married to our Other QB.

Reminds me more of Trent Edwards. People thought he would go late first or early second. We got him for a great value in the 3rd.

The Bills had 2choices at QB. Rosen was identified from a young age for his unique talent. He lived in a palace while training under the most talented masters available. He was given every opportunity and hailed as the chosen one he would bring balance to a team. But the whole time there was an anger in him that would threaten to destroy everything. In other words he’s Darth Vader. Allen spent his youth toiling away in anonymity working on a farm, kept away from particular opportunities because of the ideology of his parent. Only later in life were his skills identified and he went on a fast paced whirlwind adventure where as most in his shoes had trained for life to be there. He started his training as a young adult with the hope and optimism to make a difference. He’s Luke Skywalker. I for one one would rather have Luke lead us to redemption than Vader betray us and kill our younglings.

He’s a Bill now so I’m onboard. Young and hungry guy with high ceiling.

Kelley?

Mayfield and Allen will provide interesting data points for the advanced statistics crowd.

Allen would need to develop into a different player than he is now. That is such s long shot I’m amazed people consider it.

Is it Thursday yet. Can it be Thursday?

It would be the worst most hostile QB competition ever.

Not a waste, someone has to be the back up. Either way investing 2 top 5 picks in a QB is a sure way to ensure both of them fail.