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Its hard to tell. Rumors said they were all over Ettiene, there were some Harris rumors out there, but both went earlier. Then there is a rumor they wanted CB Eric Stokes in the first as well. It’s hard to say. Obviously they pursued McKissic, and while Duke Johnson is very similar, and I like him a lot, the salary says a lot about expectations. I do think they want to upgrade the position, I just can’t fathom why they would do it in the first round. Big no no.

The smoke around Hall and Spiller likely means they like Walker or someone else.

I like Kyle. I just think it would be funny if all this hype and he doesn’t get to pick.

Be hilarious if the Bills trade their third to move up into the second again. Or, if they trade down and out of the third.

Man he just gimmicked his way right into the spotlight. Well played Kyle, well played.

It is hard to tell with what they have done this year so far, but Kromer, with athletic linemen seems to lean that way. Brady was a zone guy as well, and Dorsey seems to have experience in both. At his roots, Dorsey is a Dennis Erickson one back spread zone guy. Coaching wise Dorsey has learned under Mike Shula, Rob Chudzinski, Daboll. I think Walker is good in any scheme, I don't think he is just a zone back. And I think Walker and Hall will be successful, but Walker is better. Neither should be their pick in the first.

Yeah I think Walker is better. His game against Michigan seals it for me. I mean all those Michigan dudes who are going to get drafted this weekend and Walker just ate them up.

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I think that is the big loss there. But I think Hyde could make things seamless. I really like Jalen Pitre. When I watch him in videos I see Jordan Poyer.

Yeah I agree. It's a bit like rearranging deck chairs. There is some depth at safety, but this trade allows you to go Hamilton or BPA in the first, then probably safety 2 and LB in the third or 4th. There is depth at those two positions safety, and linebacker imo. But I agree, it makes seem sense on some level, but again I would only trade up for Stingley, Gardner or Hamilton. I would trade up for a premier corner, and if you are getting Bradberry, you may not need a corner in that spot. Maybe the Bills love a Jameson Williams or Drake London, but I just don't believe you make that move for a receiver. I could see London as if they really think he is Mike Evans lite. That is something that is really missing here, that contested catch big body. But I think the more likely scenario is a mini trade up if one of the top 4 corners or Hamilton is slipping. The rumors is they sat on their hands waiting for Eric Stokes to fall to them last year and he got taken 1 pick ahead, so I am not sure they allow that to happen again.

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One other little thought, but let’s say there is a trade centered around Edmunds and Bradberry and those picks. It is imbalanced. Now what if the Bills included Poyer? Bills get: 7: Draft Gardner, Stingley, or Hamilton Bradberry Maybe Toney or Martinez? Giants get: Poyer Edmunds 25 some later round picks Cody Ford? It changes our secondary quite a bit, but maybe that’s a trade that could work? The Bills try to find a Tremaine replacement later in the draft, or sign a stopgap like Kwon Alexander or Joe Schobert for a year. Maybe the Giants throw in Martinez? IDK. Just roster-bating here. Giants get Edmunds who will likely be a beast in Martindale’s defense and get a QB for their secondary with Poyer who would pair well with McKinney. Maybe Johnson wants Cody Ford. They still would have two first rounders. They also rid themselves of a high priced corner who doesn’t fit their new system. Bills get Bradberry and an elite prospect at 7. They open up a hole at LB, but they free themselves of two players who may just be here one more year. I like Edmunds, I like Poyer, but if they have value and they aren’t going to be here long term, the move makes some sense. Make fun of me, say Madden blah blah. But there is some smoke, the front offices and coaching staffs are very closely related, and a move could be mutually beneficial.

I stop at the 2023 1st. Im good with the rest of it.

If they go up I would think it is for Gardner or Stingley. Stingley to me is one of the best corners I have ever seen. He runs the the routes for the receiver. I like him better than Gardner. Sauce may be their flavor though, 33.5 inch arms. I guess it’s possible they love Hamilton. But if they get up there to draft a RT I will be very upset and extremely disappointed. The same is true if they get up to draft an off ball linebacker. I really like Lloyd, but that is poor process imo. The same is true, imo, if they go up for a receiver like they did for Sammy Watkins. The more likely scenario is that they are targeting one of those top two corners, perhaps Hamilton since he is so unique, or defensive line. That’s my 2 cents on the rumor.

If the only time you ever saw Josh play was against the Dolphins, then you would think he is cocky and arrogant because he kicks their asses every time and has a big smile on his face doin it. Them Dolphins fans don’t know Josh the way we do.

Awesome stuff Gunner. Which linebacker do you think is the best fit for what we do here? Like in our 4-2-5 base? Like I really like Brandon Smith. I understand why people don’t like him. I like Anderson too. But outside of Lloyd I think it’s kind of pick your flavor. I’d love for you to share some more details on your thoughts on that group.

I think it depends what team. If he played the Giants, Broncos or Colts or something drafted him, or the Bucs didn’t trade down I could live with it. If he were a Jet, a Cowboy, a Patriot, Dolphin, Steelers etc I would not be a fan. I really liked Patrick Mahomes, but he’s turned into a bit of a Brady douche. I love Justin Herbert. Said from day 1 I would have taken him over Tua and Burrow, and I still stand by that. He’s probably my favorite QB outside of JA right now. So if the Chargers are on, I’m rooting for them. I was always a huge Drew Brees guy. Loved McNabb before he became a little douchey. I loved Drew Bledsoe even though he was a Pat. I can’t tell you how excited I was when we traded for him. I always liked Eli and Peyton.

I want to use a first on a corner. When it comes to vets, Haden to me is soft, and Bouye should be a safety. Fuller, idk, the situation in Denver seems weird, but I tend to blame Fangio.

Well he is a former Panther. And played for John Butler in Houston. I prefer Kyle Fuller if we are talking vet players.

Gonna take some getting used to with the single digits, but in the long run I think it is pretty cool.

I agree with your premise and good work on the front end. But then you drafted a hybrid safety/nickelback in Hill and a nickel whose value is as a return guy in Jones. So you still need two outside corners. 🤷‍♂️ I guess some analysts feel that Hill could play outside, but its a projection. I would love Jones as a return guy and back up nickel.

Josh took over becuase Peterman was so bad in week 1 that the experiment was over and he was benched. Great points on Singletary and Johnson. I forgot how much we used Frank Gore! Knox, while technically not starting, (Lee Smith) Knox was getting the highest number of snaps, or splitting snaps at the position, and we also played a lot of 3 wide. Like in 2012, Greg Hardy did not start right away for Carolina but played 80% of the snaps week 1. So Joe using the word starter while implying these guys weren’t relied upon from day 1 is semantics and journalistic BS. Tremaine for sure and Tre White as you mentioned. Zay Jones, Cody Ford. I still disagree with the premise of the article. I think the reliance on rookie starters depends on a number of factors and I think Joe B. painting the brush implying that McDermott doesn’t rely on rookies is kind of silly. And I agree with your last paragraph. A lot of people here have kind of analyzed the concept of drafting for need vs BPA. But it all depends on how they put their board together. Do they put a higher emphasis on corner as it is a need? Are those grades higher? In my mind Stingley, Gardner, Booth, McDuffie are instant starters. If any of them are there at 25, I feel like they are the pick. If Stingley is there in the teens I think a trade up could happen. If McDuffie and Booth make it to the early 20s, I could see a mini trade up. If all those guys are gone, or some high caliber player somehow drops I could totally see them pivot, unless they love Elam or Gordon. But to me the most likely scenario is corner round 1. I don’t think it is a complete guarantee, but their board and BPA always seems to conveniently match with need (stuck out on the board and all that). They seem to draft the highest player on their board every time, at least according to Beane. So I feel like their board is built with an emphasis on need.

There are actually a bunch of people who think we are fine with Dane Jackson and a recovering Tre White. 🤷‍♂️

I went back and watched some of out game vs the Titans. Quessenberry looked pretty good against Jerry Hughes, et al, but who didn’t? Quessenberry looked good in double teams and walling off on the backside. Didn’t look like a liability imo.

I like Brisker too! Kerby Joseph is interesting. Its crazy. Agreed, but it is definitely a bridge we will have to cross at some point. Unless both guys take a pay cut you really can’t keep the tandem together. I will say this, Poyer is a great fir here in this scheme and may not be a great fit elsewhere. That is the elephant in the room imo. He is slightly under paid, middle of the pack, top 15 salary. He should probably be closer to top 10-12. But Hyde is better. So somebody probably has to go at some point, and this is a good draft to find the way cheaper replacement.