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Some more Jack Campbell…literally doing things in run and coverage I have never seen TE do. The zone drop, coming off his primary responsibility and picking the ball off is Luke Kuechly type stuff. I think he will blow up the combine a little. People kind of brand him the dreaded “lunch pail” moniker that implies he is unathletic. I think he is more athletic than people think. I want this player on my team.

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Ralph? That you?

If JP Losman turned into a good coach, the sky is the limit for pretty much everyone else with a pulse.

Honestly this probably wins the thread. It is hard to operate a salary cap if the entire defense is first round picks with eventual 5th year options or guys on second contracts. There has to place somewhere where you can find cheap starters, and off ball linebacker is probably one of the better places to find guys cheap. Offensively that place is running back and slot WR. Finally, I will say that this regime needs to stop paying a premium for special teams production. Like everyone else does, simply use backup linebackers, DBs, and WRs to do the job. Maybe splurge on one guy, not 3-4.

I think he started as a true freshmen at USC, so came out pretty young. It is crazy.

I don’t think he is going anywhere, but just for semantics, Diggs for CeeDee Lamb…who says no? I think it’s close

Yeah I think they will go vet, but not dirt cheap vet, middle/high tier. Germaine Pratt, Drue Tranquill, Cole Holcomb, Leighton Vander Esch, Anthony Walker Jr, Bobby Okereke…any of those guys can come in, don the green dot make the calls etc. They also fit the scheme. One outside the box trade idea is Zaven Collins…I’m guessing the Gannon is going to want to bring TJ Edwards over to run his defense. Maybe Collins becomes available. I think there a couple of guys in the draft who could step right in an start right away, make all the calls and have the trust of the staff right away and those are Campbell, Simpson, Sewell. The rest of the guys probably won’t be able to step right in as a starter right away, that’s just my opinion. I think, if Edmunds is gone, one of those guys is probably his replacement, young vets or rookies.

Yep thats my guy. I been flooding this board with that suggestion. Love Pratt.

His workout numbers imply that he should be able to play there with a 4.44 forty and a big time 3 cone.

I really want them to sign Germaine Pratt. He just brings something different. To me he seems like a missing piece type player who brings toughness and passion. In an ideal world you find a way to get DeAndre Hopkins.

100%. They also continued to draft guys like AJ Klein and used a first round pick on Shaq Thompson.

Yeah I like this. Whenever he plays against us he wreaks havoc. Not much of a base end, but if he get out there on 3rd downs and rush the passer opposite Von, I think it helps and takes a little pressure off the rest of the guys.

Lindstrom is playing on the 5th year option. Love this guy and a perfect fit, but the Bills would have to trade for him. How likely that is? I’m not sure, unless he says he wants out, or they need to clear cap to add an expensive veteran qb like Carr or Rodgers…I think they extend him.

I don’t think Jackson is tendered. As the season wore on it was clear he was really no longer in their plans. I don’t think anyone in the league will pay him 2.6 million and give up a 7th round pick. Unless they have good knowledge that there is a team out there switching to a zone scheme with loads of picks and cap space see him as a starter. He would be grossly overpaid for his role here, especially considering they will likely add depth in the draft. Backup vet corners make about 1 million to 1.5 a year. In that same vein, Siran Neal is overpaid as well.

On IOL…I think this is where they make some sort of upgrade in both FA and in the draft. To me the no 1 target should be Issac Seumalo. He just excels in everything this team is looking for in their offensive linemen. He excels in a zone scheme and he is very good in pass pro. He also has some versatility as he started a lot of games at center in college and played both guard positions and center as a pro. He has settled in at RG in recent years. I think he is an excellent player who would fit like a glove in between Morse and Brown. My one fear is that he struggled early in his career and was at his best between 2 all pros in Kelce and Johnson. If I were a betting man I think he winds up in San Francisco or with the Raiders or Chargers on the west coast for the Hawaii native and Oregon State alum. PFF projects 3 years 33 million. Likely out of our price range. I really like Connor McGovern, the Jets center from Mizzou. Good buddies with Mitch Morse from college, I think he is also a perfect fit at RG and moves Bates to LG. He can play center as well which frees Bates up to be exclusively be a LG. McGovern has a level of nastiness in his game that has been missing here. He has been super durable and scored an elite RAS coming out of college. PFF has him at 3 years 22.5 million, which I would do. However, there is enough of a need at center around the league that I think he winds up playing center somewhere. What I think happens? I think we sign Kromer guy David Edwards to play LG or RG. A former Wisconsin RT who moved to G and had some high quality years before having a down year and getting hurt this year. You may recall week one, Jordan Phillips making a sick inside swim move embarrassing a guard and sacking Stafford. That victim was Edwards. He’s a dude whose play fell off a bit without Kromer and I think a reunion makes some sense. This would be somewhat disappointing for a lot of people, but there is upside with Edwards and he could come cheap off a lost year. He is still pretty young at 25 with 46 starts under his belt including a super bowl. He is big and long, very strong…a good athlete (former HS QB recruited as a TE). Again, I stick him at RG and let Bates play LG. Edwards was in line for a big contract before this season went off the rails a bit with concussions. I think it’s a risk, but I think they strongly look into him. Obviously everyone talks about Dalton Risner. I just take a pause on him as they had multiple meetings with him pre-draft and still traded up to pick Cody Ford in front of him. I just don’t think they love his game. Maybe their opinion has changed. He is a solid player and I would be happy with him, I don’t think they go down this road and I think he is going to get a bloated contract he doesn’t really deserve imo. Not a fan of Ben Powers. I think he’s fools gold and he’s going to probably get paid. He’s massive, but playing in a run heavy gap scheme and isn’t very impressive run blocking. Then he doesn’t give up any sacks (but on a team with Lamar Jackson and Tyler Huntley as QB that has to be looked at with a grain of salt. Playing between Ronnie Stanley and Tyler Linderbaum and he suddenly had a career year? Buyer beware. This is a case of PFF stuff not passing the eye test for me imo. I would also look into Nick Allegretti. High RAS guy who can play guard and center. He has a very nasty game and has been good depth for KC. Every time he was on the field for them I thought he looked good. Nate Davis also makes sense, though I am a bit iffy on him as well. I would also consider Michael Deiter to be your back up interior guy who can play both guards and center. Again, freeing up Bates to be a LG only. He is another Wisconsin guy and former teammate of Edwards. Finally, if Tampa cuts Shaq Mason, I would be all over that. Always loved his game and he is a great fit. Dream world? Seumalo or McGovern plus a 3rd or 4th draft pick. Realistic world? Edwards, Deiter, 3rd or 4th round draft pick. One last point, when it comes to the draft, I look mostly at OTs who will kick inside as that has pretty much been this regimes MO (aside from Teller). Some college tackles who are better off kicking inside: Cody Mauch, Andrew Vorhees (played LT and LG), Tyler Steen, Nick Broeker, Jaxon Kirkland, Matt Bergeron, Curtis McClendon, Jordan McFadden, Braeden Daniels. That’s where my thought process is at this moment.

Thank you! Great thread. Heres a nice little breakdown of Torrence’s reps vs Jalen Carter, if you dont want to sit and watch a full game. You kind of see a bit of everything in here, pros and cons, great blocks, some high pad level and losing on counter moves. Pretty much everything we are talking about in this thread with Torrence vs a top level NFL prospect.

Torrence is a tough one for me. He just mashes people in the run game and he is really good in pass pro. He looks on the surface to be a gap scheme power type player, but honestly he looks really good in zone situations on film. He is very good in pass pro, giving up zero sacks in 46 college starts. That’s pretty astounding. Now when you take into account the first part of his career was at Louisiana before transferring to Florida, and that he was blocking for a very mobile guy at Florida, maybe that number isn’t as impressive. However zero sacks is zero sacks. I think he will struggle with counter pass rush moves in the NFL. He’s huge and long and looks to have good feet. He’s a guard only prospect so there is no versatility there. And that is the type of prospect the Bills have yet to show interest in as a first round pick. That includes Beane’s time here and in Carolina. The entire Bills offensive line were LTs in college except for Spencer Brown who was a RT in deference to Trevor Penning. Torrence to me is a second round pick. That doesn’t mean he won’t go in the first round. We saw guards in Zion Johnson and Kenyon Green go super early last year, and Torrence is better than those guys. I do think he will be, at the very least a serviceable guard with the potential to be dominant. Personally, I would really dislike the pick at 27, but you could do a lot worse with a First round pick.

I actually think Wylie does fit and he is way more interesting than Mike McGlinchey. I think he is probably too expensive and a little risky. Mahomes has a way of making guys like this look good. Wylie has some strong athletic traits with a high RAS coming out. In a perfect world you sign him to play RG next to Brown, but I think Wylie is going to want to get paid a big RT salary.

Yeah I hear ya. Jack has been my guy for awhile. I think Noah Sewell gives you that type of impact as well, though I like Campbell better. Holcomb is that Luke Keuchly size, 6-2, 240…so I wouldn’t call him small by any stretch, but some of his production could be attributed to the guys on that D line in front of him. I also think you get that solid wall with Germaine Pratt. 6-2, 245 of just solid mass running 4.5 who plays with an edge and was rightfully pissed when Ossai hit Mahomes out of bounds. Pratt is my dude and I think signing him hurts the Bengals.

On tackles, I don’t think they will replace Brown. I really don’t. I think they believe in him and I think they will continue to be patient. They see that enormous upside and I really don’t believe there is a massive cost effective upgrade out there. On Mike McGlinchey, just like Edmunds and Brown are the whipping boys here, he is the whipping boy for Niners fans. He is exhibit A why you don’t draft a RT player in the top ten, or the first round at all. He finally had a good year on his 5th year option. Sure on the surface and such it seems like he is so much better than Brown. He isn’t. I don’t really care what pff says. SF had to chip and use a tight end to his side all the time. He’s basically Spencer Brown in a year. A marginal upgrade who will not be worth the cost. I just think with limited cap, they aren’t going to go down this road. I see them maybe upgrading at the swing tackle. Perhaps a cheap vet like Josh Wells, Reilly Reiff, Kelvin Beachum or a Billy Turner. They aren’t going to pursue Orlando Brown and there is a marginal chance they go after Jawaan Taylor. I highly doubt they go RT early in the draft. Now if a guy like Broderick Jones falls to 27, I would not be opposed to grabbing him because I think the upside is tremendous. Does that mean he starts on the right side or does Dion move inside? I have no idea. What I do think I know is that they will not draft a RT in the first round of the draft and they will not commit big FA money to the position.

I know this thread is about draft replacements, but I have another FA target: Cole Holcomb. If Beandon Beane really wants to stick it to Washington, he should steal this guy who has kind of become their heart and soul. He is coming off season ending foot surgery. The Bills heavily scouted Cole in 2019 but unfortunately went with the upside play in Vosean Joseph. Holcomb is a very smart aggressive player. He is also fast and strong and a team captain. He would be a silky smooth fit having come from Ron Rivera’s system. Being a UNC grad, the braintrust here probably saw a lot of him back in the day during his college career. He doesn’t have the upside of a Tremaine and won’t cost nearly as much but this is the kind of solid piece that can make upd for Tremaine’s loss in a lot of ways. I’d probably go: Tremaine, Pratt, Tranquill, Holcomb, draft pick in that order.

Target 2: Drue Tranquill. PFF has him at 2 years 8.5 million. nice breakdown from DJ:

Germaine Pratt…he’s my #1 in free agency. PFF has him at 3 years 24 million.

Jackson is a zone only corner who will get non tendered and possibly sign back for cheap. Benford is a small school kid who played 9 games and was up and down before he got hurt. Elam is the only guy with value, but turning a first last year into say a 5th this year is not good business.