MrEpsYtown

I think he stays until he decides to go. He is a high level player and an important cog in the OL. I think they should extend him actually. I don't think these guys are interesting in drafting a pure center. They value that versatility. Mitch Morse was a LT at Mizzou who moved to center as a pro. Same for Ryan Bates, a LT at PSU who moved to guard whose best position is probably center. Greg Van Roten was a LT at UPenn who moved to guard as a pro and the Bills had him cross train at center. They had Ike Boettger learn to snap in training camp a few years ago. Just find the best linemen you can find and figure it out.

One of the things that is hard to anticipate is cap casualties. One guy who I have always liked and think will be a casualty is Tampa's Shaq Mason. He is owed 9.6 million and there is zero dead money on his deal if cut. Stick him in at RG and move Bates to LG and you have a much better situation. I like the idea of an experienced guy who can still play and think playing next to Mason would do wonders for Spencer Brown. The other is Joel Bitonio. He is 32 and there are some murmurs that the Browns could cut him as they have a ton of money tied up in their offensive line. I think he might have to come via trade as it saves the Browns significant cap, but Bitonio still plays at a very high level. Highly unlikely, but I could see a scenario in which the Falcons are willing to trade Chris Lindstrom. He will be playing on a 13 million 5th year option and it is unclear if they will signing him long term and they have Kaleb McGary coming up as a free agent. Long term are they willing to pay both? Time will tell. He is the most perfect fit for our RG spot right now.

Oh man they are gonna bring him back aren't they? And Beane is going to say he is a pro bowl player in the presser. ugh

I tend to agree, but I don't think there is much more growth for Tremaine. I believe he is what he is at this point. Perhaps the game could slow down a bit more for him, but it has been 5 years and I am not sure how much he improved. I do think Tranquill will be a bit cheaper, but as you said, it may not be much. Drue will enter the season at 28 years old, Tremaine will enter at 25. Tranquill just makes plays all over the place as his game has really evolved. Would I like Tremaine back? Sure. But I think they should pursue Drue as a replacement. Drue has warts too. One is his age and the other is his injury history and that makes him more of a risk. Ideally they find a Noah Sewell or Jack Campbell in the draft somewhere. Perhaps Anthony Walker Jr or Deion Jones could work as well as UFAs. But there isn't a lot of depth there in FA.

Fair enough. I feel like part of the analysis of the draft is that you have to look at who they missed out when they made their errors. I tried to give a brief explanation of why I thought that pick was a failure and who was missed as a result. They were clearly invested in finding receivers in that draft and the fact that they took a useless backup QB for whom they had no plan over a guy like Mooney I think shows there was an error in their analysis of the wide receivers in that particular draft.

Thanks. Kinda like cherry picking one line in an entire response to make your snarky comment. Awesome contribution.

Love McDuffie. wasted a lot of time talking about him at draft time.

Well Bradlee Chubb was underwhelming in that defense. So that’s something. Chubb had his best year when year before Fangio got there and his second best year after he left.

Yeah I could see them pursuing Jessie Bates or Gardner Johnson as a Poyer replacement. Probably a too expensive. I also like Drue Tranquill as an Edmunds replacement. I also think Byron Murphy could be a playmaking safety if he moves off CB (similar to when we signed Micah Hyde.) No reel big fish, except maybe Bates.

Rd 1 happy with the Diggs trade A+ Rd 2 Epenesa. Yuck. F. The pick here should have been Ezra Cleveland, who has turned into an excellent guard. AJ Dillon, Logan Wilson, Van Jefferson, Kristian Fulton or Jeremy Chinn would have been ideal as well. But with our OL need, Cleveland would be nice to have right now. I think they wanted Kyle Dugger and thought he would drop to them and got all screwed up when the Pats grabbed him early. Rd 3 Moss. F. Just yuck. I hate this pick, now and hated it then. The thing is that there isn’t a whole ton of talent that got picked right after him. Maybe Cam Dantzler, Devin Duvernay. Jonathan Greenard is better than AJ Epenesa and went right after. Rd 4 Davis - B. I am not a Davis guy, too many drops for me, but he outperforms most players picked in the 4th. They just missed on Kevin Dotson who is a very good guard for the Steelers and L’Jarius Sneed who is an important cog in the KC defense. But Davis pick was solid. Rd 5 - Fromm - F - A cheap long term backup for Josh? Sure its a solid idea. But they never committed to him and he was pretty bad. Wasted pick. They missed on Darnell Mooney, who has turned into an impact player on the Bears. Rd 6 Bass - B + Really good pick, but still a kicker. Jon Runyan, Quez Watkins, and Jordan Fuller went right after. An argument can be made for those guys. Rd 6 Giants legend Hodgins - F - again its an F because he did nothing for us. Yes we made a mistake releasing him, and I like him as a player but they had no plan to get him involved and its a failure. Rd 7 - Jackson- A - I am not a fan of his game, but to have made the contributions he has a 7th round pick is awesome and unlikely. UDFA we could have drafted instead of some of these guys: P Tommy Townsend QB Tyler Huntley RB James Robinson WR Marquez Callaway G Calvin Throckmorton WR Nick Westbrook-Ikhine UDFA we signed who is still around: Reggie Gilliam Antonio Williams is still in the NFL and Trey Adams was an interesting pick until he retired. Guys from that draft who are now in our program: WR Isaiah Coulter WR Dezmon Paton

I hear ya. No locking horns here either. Dean to me is more of a will. I dont see him holding up at mike, where Lloyd does. I do think the Eagles give Dean a shot if Edwards is gone, but I still think he is too small. Lloyd was a premium run defender in college and I think he will continue to improve and form a pretty good tandem with Muma. And yes, we have missed out on a number of second round/third round linemen beculause we looked elsewhere and it hurts.

I think he is. I think patience is the key when it comes to a really good athlete who is very long and played a low level of football. I keep using Mike McGlinchey as an example. The difference is that he went to Notre Dame and had a more polished game. He really struggled and finally put it together, though he still gets beat sometimes and is probably their worst linemen. He is going to get paid. Who are you replacing Brown with? Are you going to use a premium pick on a guy to play RT? Meh. A guy who may not be as good as Brown? In free agency? Well we won’t have the cap space to sign a McGlinchey or McGary. McGary is another guy, long and lean and a great athlete. He was so bad his first 3 years that the Falcons turned down his 5th year option, and he finally put it together year 4, and he’s going to laugh all the way to the bank. Brown will pull it together. He has a nasty disposition and a great mentality and motor. I really feel patience is the key with him, but they should bring in some sort of competition.

I don’t care about PFF data. You didn’t know anything about Lloyd? Really? Edmunds at the edge? Anyway, Lloyd played 80% of the defensive snaps, a lot of which came next to another rookie in Chad Muma for a playoff team. Dean is an undersized player who sat the bench and still got hurt (his durability was always a concern.) One guy played and flashed in the NFL. One guy sat the bench and still got hurt and was really good in college. i am definitely not the one joking here

The Broncos seem to be striking out here. They went big game fishing for Payton and Harbaugh and look to be losing out on some of the lower level guys and it looks like Demeco Ryans is going to the Texans. The Broncos may have to circle back and I hope Frazier gets a call. Honestly the Indy job is more attractive because you get to choose your QB and have a high draft pick to do so. In Denver you are stuck with Wilson. That could be the type of job nobody wants and Frazier may be the best they can do ala the Texans and David Culley.

Nah we should have drafted Devin Lloyd in the first, in the second Luke Fortner, Nicholas Petit-Frere, or Abraham Lucas instead of Cook. Then Rachaad White in the 3rd and probably Tariq Woolen with the 4th we traded to move up two spots for Elam. Revisionist, but this was a terrible draft in 2022 and with how great a draft the Giants had, Joe Schoen was a big loss. Malcom Rodriguez in the 6th is better than Bernard.

I agree partially. Sanders played behind lines that were god awful. This line is very, lets say below average. Saffold is terrible. But also do not think the line upgrades come via first round of the draft. I think they add in free agency. Mid level guys like a David Edwards type, and maybe draft some mid round guys. They just continue to pass on interesting mid round linemen year after year.

Pretty good analysis here: https://thebuffalofanatics.com/dont-ask-terrel-bernard-to-cook-or-play-safety/amp/ Their answer to that question was no. It comes down to athleticism and traits.

I really don’t like it, but he’s a top 5 back. This ain’t Breece Hall we are debating. I think you have to pull the trigger if he is there at 27. At least you get big time production for a cheap price for 4 years.

Man when you look at some of the guys picked after him? Ugh wasted opportunity there and another wasted pick. I think it’s a combination of the coach connection and the need for depth at linebacker, I suppose a Milano backup. Baylon Spector looked better every time we saw him. So this, the punter, and Tenuta, 3 wasted draft picks. And that is why we are where we are.

Yep I feel you, but I just like quality over quantity. That is why we are home right now, lack of quality.

But then you are spending like 6 million or so on the position. In that case I would rather just sign a Miles Sanders, David Montgomery type in that 6-8 million range. Honestly I’d cut down Hines’s pay and replace Devin with a rookie. 3.5 does make some sense though. That was what the range was thats they were going to pay for McKittrick. BTW they got extremely lucky there. Washington did the Bills a favor. He totally sucked this year. No touchdowns. 95 yards rushing, 173 receiving. Got hurt. Might be done as it is his second serious neck injury and he is probably going to get cut. Again, exhibit 6,734 why you don’t pay running backs unless they are elite. After the elite its all the same.

I just want to pay the guy who knocks my socks off. I am just against signing a meh player whose production can be filled by a mid round rookie. Spend another draft pick on another average back. That’s fine in my book. Paying an average RB doesn’t make sense unless he is extremely cheap.

“Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent. They build bridges to nowhere and tunnels to nothingness…Those who excel in them seldom do in anything else, therefore, there are no excuses.” At the end of the day you have to overcome, as hard as it is and as sad as all those terrible events are, you have to. Champion caliber teams and people overcome. Remember Dion’s player tribune: “There’s been enough talking. But the Mafia knows what’s true. And what’s true is: We’re all in. We’re done waiting, we’re done coming at the king and missing, we’re done knocking on the door of this sh*t, with no answer, for this damn long. We’re keeping it SIMPLE this run. Because — straight up: It’s just football. You know what I’m saying? It’s JUST football!! And we’re better than these other teams at it, so let’s beat four of them and then have a parade.“ Forget about the elephant. Enough is enough. Get it done. Finish the job.

And honestly, I am not sure what they are going to do. It will interesting to see. He’s a perfectly good player and better than a lot in the league. His presence or lack thereof will not be the determining factor whether or not we win a super bowl, that all falls on Josh and the offense at the end of the day. It comes down to dollars and cents. Sure you can pay him like a top 5 backer, but its an overpay. He’s more like a top 15-20 guy. I’ve been a defender of his and felt like he would get better, but after 5 seasons, he is what he is, a solid top 15 inside backer….Paul Pozluzny. You could probably get the same production in this defense from other UFAs like TJ Edwards or Drue Tranquill. They don’t look as impressive, but get the job done and are probably much cheaper.

So if you go back a page or two in this thread, there is a video I posted where Jake Butt analyzes Jack Campbell. A part of the video Campbell knocks the ball out, anticipates a throw, and catches a tipped pass. What Butt says is that the game has truly slowed down for Campbell so he makes these plays off anticipation and instincts. That made a ton of sense to me. As I am watching it I started to think about Tremaine. The game has not slowed down for him. He always plays with his hair on fire. He doesn’t anticipate or make instinctual plays and that is why he doesn’t cause any turnovers. He gets manipulated in coverage and doesn’t anticipate where the ball is going. That is always going to hold him back. Despite being an incredible athlete, he is almost always a half a step behind. The people who cause turnovers are always a half a step ahead. Solid player, but the game is moving too fast for him at this point.