MrEpsYtown

Thank you! Great thread. Heres a nice little breakdown of Torrence’s reps vs Jalen Carter, if you dont want to sit and watch a full game. You kind of see a bit of everything in here, pros and cons, great blocks, some high pad level and losing on counter moves. Pretty much everything we are talking about in this thread with Torrence vs a top level NFL prospect.

Torrence is a tough one for me. He just mashes people in the run game and he is really good in pass pro. He looks on the surface to be a gap scheme power type player, but honestly he looks really good in zone situations on film. He is very good in pass pro, giving up zero sacks in 46 college starts. That’s pretty astounding. Now when you take into account the first part of his career was at Louisiana before transferring to Florida, and that he was blocking for a very mobile guy at Florida, maybe that number isn’t as impressive. However zero sacks is zero sacks. I think he will struggle with counter pass rush moves in the NFL. He’s huge and long and looks to have good feet. He’s a guard only prospect so there is no versatility there. And that is the type of prospect the Bills have yet to show interest in as a first round pick. That includes Beane’s time here and in Carolina. The entire Bills offensive line were LTs in college except for Spencer Brown who was a RT in deference to Trevor Penning. Torrence to me is a second round pick. That doesn’t mean he won’t go in the first round. We saw guards in Zion Johnson and Kenyon Green go super early last year, and Torrence is better than those guys. I do think he will be, at the very least a serviceable guard with the potential to be dominant. Personally, I would really dislike the pick at 27, but you could do a lot worse with a First round pick.

I actually think Wylie does fit and he is way more interesting than Mike McGlinchey. I think he is probably too expensive and a little risky. Mahomes has a way of making guys like this look good. Wylie has some strong athletic traits with a high RAS coming out. In a perfect world you sign him to play RG next to Brown, but I think Wylie is going to want to get paid a big RT salary.

Yeah I hear ya. Jack has been my guy for awhile. I think Noah Sewell gives you that type of impact as well, though I like Campbell better. Holcomb is that Luke Keuchly size, 6-2, 240…so I wouldn’t call him small by any stretch, but some of his production could be attributed to the guys on that D line in front of him. I also think you get that solid wall with Germaine Pratt. 6-2, 245 of just solid mass running 4.5 who plays with an edge and was rightfully pissed when Ossai hit Mahomes out of bounds. Pratt is my dude and I think signing him hurts the Bengals.

On tackles, I don’t think they will replace Brown. I really don’t. I think they believe in him and I think they will continue to be patient. They see that enormous upside and I really don’t believe there is a massive cost effective upgrade out there. On Mike McGlinchey, just like Edmunds and Brown are the whipping boys here, he is the whipping boy for Niners fans. He is exhibit A why you don’t draft a RT player in the top ten, or the first round at all. He finally had a good year on his 5th year option. Sure on the surface and such it seems like he is so much better than Brown. He isn’t. I don’t really care what pff says. SF had to chip and use a tight end to his side all the time. He’s basically Spencer Brown in a year. A marginal upgrade who will not be worth the cost. I just think with limited cap, they aren’t going to go down this road. I see them maybe upgrading at the swing tackle. Perhaps a cheap vet like Josh Wells, Reilly Reiff, Kelvin Beachum or a Billy Turner. They aren’t going to pursue Orlando Brown and there is a marginal chance they go after Jawaan Taylor. I highly doubt they go RT early in the draft. Now if a guy like Broderick Jones falls to 27, I would not be opposed to grabbing him because I think the upside is tremendous. Does that mean he starts on the right side or does Dion move inside? I have no idea. What I do think I know is that they will not draft a RT in the first round of the draft and they will not commit big FA money to the position.

I know this thread is about draft replacements, but I have another FA target: Cole Holcomb. If Beandon Beane really wants to stick it to Washington, he should steal this guy who has kind of become their heart and soul. He is coming off season ending foot surgery. The Bills heavily scouted Cole in 2019 but unfortunately went with the upside play in Vosean Joseph. Holcomb is a very smart aggressive player. He is also fast and strong and a team captain. He would be a silky smooth fit having come from Ron Rivera’s system. Being a UNC grad, the braintrust here probably saw a lot of him back in the day during his college career. He doesn’t have the upside of a Tremaine and won’t cost nearly as much but this is the kind of solid piece that can make upd for Tremaine’s loss in a lot of ways. I’d probably go: Tremaine, Pratt, Tranquill, Holcomb, draft pick in that order.

Target 2: Drue Tranquill. PFF has him at 2 years 8.5 million. nice breakdown from DJ:

Germaine Pratt…he’s my #1 in free agency. PFF has him at 3 years 24 million.

Jackson is a zone only corner who will get non tendered and possibly sign back for cheap. Benford is a small school kid who played 9 games and was up and down before he got hurt. Elam is the only guy with value, but turning a first last year into say a 5th this year is not good business.

Not worried about this at all. Bring him on. Let the Jets jam up their cap and lose all the young talent they accumulated.

Now is the best time to bring him back. Everyone thinks we suck again and its the beginning of the end for the Bills anyway. So they will just pile on. Who cares? I think he should get another shot and I would be pretty upset if he goes and signs with Bengals or something and becomes a game changing punter. What he was accused of is terrible. What it sound like he actually did I am guessing 85% of the NFL did in college. I think it’s fair to bring him back to compete with someone else.

Based on that list, I fully expect Dillon Doyle to be a Bill, highly recommended by Dave Aranda. 🤷‍♂️

Noah Sewell

Yeah I think Sanders is a bit of project who will take time and the kind of prospect this regime does not trust. I really like the player though. I am excited to watch him blow up the combine. Jack Campbell and Trenton Simpson, Noah Sewell as well, to me are step in, plug and play guys who can make all the calls and get everyone where they need to be. Sanders may end up being the best of them all, but he isn’t plug and play and these guys won’t trust him with the green dot.

That video shows him make some really good plays in zone coverage. Again, he’s not the athlete of Edmunds, but his instincts are just different. I love the way he dropped and got that pick off Stroud. I have yet to see Tremaine do something like that. I think he fits and plays the run better, but I do agree that he may be better off in another scheme.

I like it. Interesting dude.

I saw somewhere we met with Dee Winters at the senior bowl. Interesting guy from TCU.

I hear that. He is definitely more 4-3 mike than 4-2-5 nickel backer. I think his projection is going to come down his combine workout. I remember Luke Keuchly originally had that 2-3 round projection and blew up the combine and that all changed. I see a similar fate for Campbell. I think he is way more athletic than people think. Does he get into the top ten? No but I think late 1 early two.

Great comp on Sanders. And I think most of these guys are going in that late 1 early second range and won’t make it to our second pick. I’m looking forward to your ranking on some of these guys. On Simpson, it seems they used him off the edge a lot as a blitzer, but I also think he played well in the box. I think he is a nickel linebacker and I do think he would fit well in our base 4-2-5. Is he a true mike? I’m not sure, but we don’t really have one anymore. His 2021 film has him playing a ton of sam in a 4-3 under look with Spector and Skalski stacked in the box. This year he looked pretty good off ball stacked in the box. He might be more Thomas Davis, Shaq Thompson than Luke Keuchly and that’s ok imo. But I love his traits. Also a Charlotte kid so there is a good chance McBeane saw this kid play in HS.

To me that is Campbell. He also happens to be 6-5, 246…so he still has that “I’m naturally big so I take away throwing lanes” deal. I think he is going to surprise people at the combine and when that happens he will move up draft boards.

Sanders is a unicorn. He can do a lot of things. Love his game. He needs to do a cycle and add some bulk, but he’s going to be very good

I came here for this

I do. Because that is where the value looks to be. People are going to overdraft the QBs, OL, and receivers and there is a good chance a blue chip player like Simpson could be sitting there. You could do that or reach for a guard…your choice. I’m using my pick for upside.

Yeah he’s probably the first one off the board. Dude can play. He’s better than Nick Bolton. I have no issue grabbing him in the first. Dude. Absolute stud.

I really don’t. i don’t see it. Maybe he develops, but he can’t be the answer next year.