MrEpsYtown

I always love his analysis, but Darrick Forrest “not the most athletic guy” seemed like pretty lazy analysis when he’s got a RAS off nearly 10 and he gets binged for height. Otherwise really good analysis and seems really high on Palmer and Hoecht.

It certainly feels a little like the time they did not know about the Ariza stuff, or didn’t think it was a big deal

Okay yes gotcha. That does make it a bit more glaring.

He will use his first pick on the glaring hole on his roster. He has done it every year. He drafts for need.

My take is that Dane was here the Elam year, so how is this any different? Tre was here as an established starter and we had Dane. Now we have Benford as an established starter...and Dane.

Little big baller Beane history, You have Dane Jackson and Levi Wallace, who are fine depth, but terrible when called upon to start. Go into 2022 offseason and make no additions so everyone knows you are taking a corner in the draft, despite propping Dane up as a starter. Trade up for Elam spending a 4th to move up, just missing out on an all pro. Spend a 6 on Benford. Elam is terrible, Benford awesome. Tre White gets hurt, so you have to trade a 3rd for a corner, Douglas, because your depth, Dane Jackson, is not good enough and your first-round pick Elam is terrible. Let Dane leave, cut Tre, trade Elam, move on from Rasul. Go into 2025 offseason with a glaring hole at corner, sign Dane Jackson, and make no addition so everyone knows you are taking a corner in the draft, despite propping Dane up as a starter. Hopefully, this last part doesn't happen. Holding out hope they add something else. Yeah, it's an overreaction, but seriously for a front office who harps on the idea of learning from their mistakes, it sure feels like deja vu to me. Like we just did this. Since 2022 Elam cost 1 and 4 Benford cost a 6 Trade for Douglas and a 5 for a 3rd Spend a 6 on Hardy Get a six and a 7 for Elam and a 5 So we spent a 1, a 3, a 4, 2 6ths and we have: 1 corner - Benford a 6 this year and a 7 next as the return for Elam Ulofosio (green bay's 5) and Hardy on a futures contract. It's just silly is all. Again, I hope he makes more moves here.

I know free agency is not over and another move could come. But this is 2022 all over again. They will talk about Dane as a solid vet starter blah blah and the entire league is going to know we are picking a corner and that's annoying if it happens again. Dane is fine as depth. He is not a starter. As long as they don't back themselves in a corner again, this is fine.

I just think this signing is what the new special team coach wants with their past history in Carolina. The Bills sign a guy who has been available forpennies a bunch of times in the past, who, it appears, they have never shown interest in and sign him on the second day of free agency? It implies it was something Tabor wanted and it was a priority. Just my evaluation of the situation. I may be reading to far into it and jumping to conclusions, but I think Codrington is in for a battle.

Also with a new special teams coach, there is no rapport there, so Codrignton is likely going to have to earn it all over again.

Appreciate that tidbit! Seems like he grinds now. I think he'd be off the roster already if he wasn't.

I think his ceiling is Mack Hollins more or less. A 4/5 at best. He is big and long and I think that has value with the new kickoff rules. I think he could be on the field if an injury occurred, but he should not be out there over Shakir, Palmer, Coleman, Samuel...but still has value on the roster. He blocked a bunch of kicks in college. There is some pedigree here, he was once a pretty big recruit for Bama. So I guess he could do more with more opportunities to play, but IMO he mostly is what he is.

This is an interesting place sometimes. We are not impressed by Amari Cooper's career and ability...or Dante Fowler's 55 career sacks...but that one play often healthy scratch Dewayne Carter made against one of the worst teams in the league that one time makes him an impact performer. It's interesting.

He has had a somewhat disappointing career, essentially Hassan Redick...but he gets to the QB.

I think that makes sense. I think overall he is competing with Codrington. As much as they liked him last year, there is a new special teams coach in town in Chris Tabor and Shenault was his return guy in Carolina. So just with his pedigree, I think he has an inside shot at that return spot. He is a very different receiver than Hollins...I feel like he is a thick version of Samuel. He is mostly a gadget player who can run some deep-ins and things. He is a screen and YAC guy and has been an explosive return guy in the past. I think the closest thing we have to Hollins is Shavers, but if he is taking a ton of offensive reps like Hollins did, something has gone very wrong IMO. But he's a nice guy to have around with his size and speed combo and his acumen on special teams.

They can't even tank for Manning because their defense should be pretty good. They just need a game manager for a year.

I'm usually a pessimist, but I'm not a #1 receiver type of person. I prefer the 'everybody eats' mentality. Because that, paired with good defense is what wins championships IMO. I do like this group for the way the offense is designed. What Coleman doe in year 2 is going to have a huge impact. If we see a healthy Samuel that also helps. I really like the Palmer add. In my mind Shavers is in, but Shenault has a chance.

My best guess is they saw Gordon as a nickel. But I agree. The film on McDuffie and Gordon...they both showed really good acumen in zone, they tackle and both turned into really good player IMO.

That is my biggest issue how some of these drafts play out and it is a black eye on prospect evaluations. You are specifically targeting a corner, work them all out, and this is the one you pick? To spend so many man hours in your scouting and come at this result is just bad. And I get it, that this happens to all teams. But that doesn't make it ok. Like you said, I would love to know what this process was actually like. In 2019 they are targeting a LB in the fifth round and pick Vosean Joseph who never even played a down in the NFL. It was literally 1 pick before Dre Greenlaw. Andrew Van Ginkel, Mack Wilson, Blake Cashman all starters in the league, went shortly there after. It's a scouting failure to be targeting a specific position and just fail so badly at the evaluation. It's probably how Saints fans felt when they took Payton Turner in front of Greg Rousseau and Jason Oweh and others. It's a fail.

Totally would take him back. We didn’t see the best version of him.

Man I am such a Beane/McDermott hater that it makes sense. Its the perfect cover

I dunno man. Everyone making fun of this guy but he makes people look silly in some highlights. He looks like a YAC monster. Maybe we will be pleasantly surprised. Def a Tabor pick

Assuming Chris Tabor wanted him. He had him in Carolina as special teams coordinator. Seems gadgety but runs hard and you never know. Like someone said up thread, sometimes guys like this take awhile like a Cordarelle

Mahomes gonna have to give up #15

They crossed over 2 years

Yeah, I tend to agree, but we said the same thing in 2022 and his plan back then was to back himself into needing a specific positon and that resulted in a trade-up and reach for a crap corner. So I just hope he learned from that mistake and history does not repeat itself.