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I think overall they are saying good things about Tyrod because they will either try to trade him, or they will keep him if they can't find anything better. I think that's the whole thing. If you can't find someone better than probably need to stick with him. The really better find someone better though.

If we sign a guy like Cousins, he instantly becomes your long term guy so no trade up or drafting a guy is necessary. If you get a guy like Alex Smith, he's older and more of a bridge, so a trade up could make sense. If McBeane believes in any of those guys he will make the trade up. If we don't trade up, I think it is a clear indication they don't love any of those guys. In the end I think we trade for Smith and trade up for Rosen, Darnold, Allen.

They will meet with everyone and do their homework. they met with all of the quarterbacks last year as well and didn't like the top guys so took a flyer on Peterman late. Based on Beane's comments, if they feel Allen, Darnold, Rosen are top five guys they will move up. I think he feels we have the ammo to do it, but know it's a very steep price. I think they will realize that after those guys, there is no one in this draft worth 21, 22 and will wind up waiting until the fourth round to draft a guy like Mike White as a developmental guy. That's just my opinion. This regime is looking for a franchise altering long term quarterback who can win from the pocket. That is probably Allen, Darnold, Rosen. If they feel like those guys are the real deal they will make a move. Say what you want about Allen, but he gives the team that kind of hope. After that it's just throwing darts at the wall and drafting another Peterman. Maybe you get lucky and draft the next Russell Wilson or Kirk Cousins, but you can't bank on that working. It is much more likely that this team's future franchise quarterback will come out of the top 5 of the draft. Maybe not this year, but at some point.

Alright he weighed in and had a good excuse about the lateness. Now if he plays, all this drama is moot. Still polarizing and everything, but this kinda drama is annoying to me. He should have never agreed to come if he wasn't going to play. I guess I'm too judgemental.

He does look tiny. I remember Manziel looking small and then he measured like 6-0. If Mayfield measures any number with a 6 he will be okay. If there is a five there I think there will be a lot of people taking him off the board.

Thanks this is why I brought the issue up in the first place. The situation feels strange to me and I'm just some fan. I would imagine it wouldn't sit well with NFL excecutives. C'mon man the details of his lateness came out a few hours after my post. I wish I was psychic.

Good points, but why not just skip the whole thing then? Say he's going to focus on the combine like everyone else always does. If everybody knows he's 5'11" then he should just get measured. I get what the agent is trying to do, but it just seems wishy-washy to me. Plus he showed up late...to me that's like the guys who get a positive drug test at the combine. It's just dumb.

Good points. I have a feeling Allen is going to put on a absolute show this week.

Well they don't have to worry about losing him like Mike Pereira or Den Blandino as a rules analyst because he doesn't actually understand the rules. So they might as well keep him.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/senior-bowl-2018-baker-mayfield-nfl-draft-heisman-trophy-winner-oklahoma/onh9a1g5hvwk1rcirftgphiwv So basically Mayfield's agent is saying he may not play in the game at all. He will practice and he wants to do interviews. What do you guys think about this? This comes out this morning and Mayfield showed up late so he missed weigh ins. The biggest questions for him are his size, how he will function in a pro style offense, and his character...so he's late, we don't know how big he is, and he may not play in the game. Seems a little strange to me.

Tyler Wilson. He was awesome in the Senior Bowl too. But had baby hands.

Somewhat agreed, but I do think it is important for a place like Buffalo. So I think those teams in those cold weather outdoor stadiums have to put a higher emphasis on hand size as compared to a team that plays in a dome or in California.

Big , slow quarterback, with footwork issues, played in a simple system, has a weak arm and small hands? Sign me up for that. I never understood the love fest for this guy, and the hand size makes it worse in my opinion.

Interested to see the numbers on Mayfield.

This situation certainly seems like it has the potential to just completely blow up.

Gaines got jerked around quite a bit in St. Louis and he is now in a place where people believe in him and with a scheme that really fits what he does well. I think the only way he doesn't come back is if someone offers him some ridiculous Gilmore type money.

Ridiculously vanilla on defense as well

Fast linebackers. Smith and Jack are really good and can fly. Plus more pass rush helps.

I think he's a good coach, I'm definitely down if he brings his dad Bill with him to coach the offensive line

George Edwards! Running Zimmer's defense. He was a terrible DC here.

While I hear you, I do not think these moves condemn the team to non competitive play. Beane is focused on sustained success, and while our roster has holes, the core of the roster is pretty good. We have tight ends in Clay and O'Leary, our o-line is serviceable (Mills and Ducasse need replacements) and we have one of the best RB of all time. A healthy Kelvin Benjamin with a second year Zay Jones in the slot and FA receiver like Donte Moncrief gives a young quarterback enough weapons. This team lacks depth more than having glaring holes. Sustained success comes with a true franchise quarterback. It shows foresight and a future path. Signing AJ McCarron or drafting Mason Rudolph simply spins wheels and sticks on band aids. Is McCarron better than Tyrod? Is Rudolph better than Peterman? I just don't see it.

If the board fell this way I would make one pick and trade down with the other. If we can't get up for a quarterback, it makes sense to either grab two immediate starters, or grab one player and trade down to gather more draft currency. Though I do like Payne and Jackson. My defense of DJ is that he thinks those teams will fill the QB position is free agency. Whoever gets guys like Cousins, Bridgewater, McCarron, maybe even Bradford, do not have to absolutely draft a QB. They still could, but they don't have to. Those guys are in their prime and going to require a significant commitment.

While I do think Beane will find a way to get up to draft Rosen or Darnold, I do agree with you. Aside from probably Rosen, none of these guys should start this year. No one can really argue that Jackson doesn't have the most upside here. When I'm drafting a young guy to develop, he better be clearly better than Nate Peterman. I don't see that with Rudolph or Falk. Though I do like Falk and I see some Michigan Tom Brady in him. Again, not saying he is going to be Brady, but I like some of his traits. You have to move the needle, and to me, guys like Rudolph, Falk, Ferguson, White just don't move the needle all that much. Are they worth a 4th round Peterman-Cardale Jones flyer? Yes. Does it mean the QB conundrum is solved? No way. Jackson has a chance to be Michael Vick, or RG3. But he has some unbelievable athletic ability and I think he goes late one, early 2. I think this regime is only going to draft a Darnold, Rosen, Allen. Otherwise, I think they will pass on the quarterbacks this year. So I kind of feel it is trade up or bust. This franchise has really never drafted a high upside top prospect quarterback since Kelly. With the draft currency we have, the time is now to get that guy. If no trade up is available, you trade down and gather picks to move up next year. You can't force it.

It really depends on who he gets as his OC. Daboll would have made sense for him, but we beat them to it. Its all about Mariota for that team. Their defense was already good.

Man he was terrible with his high school 3-4.