MrEpsYtown

Good points. It's always projectable skills more than anything.

Somebody made fun of me a couple of months ago when I suggested he'd be a sought after commodity. Oh well. He still has that Belichick shine on him and played ok when given the opportunity.

Very surprising that he failed. Really smart, great size and athletic ability. Did not transition well from the spread offense. Something like 7 offensive coordinators in 8 years and I think that is one of the reasons he never got going. But Mayock was obviously wrong and that is one of the reasons we could see Allen drafted before Darnold. .

So strange that no one takes Mason Rudolph in the first. Weird....;)

I think they wanna see if Chubb falls. If Chubb is gone, it makes sense for them to trade back. Miller had it 12, 22, and 96 I believe. Something like that.

Plus, Nate Peterman last year 5.7, slightly lower than Mahomes at 5.8 and Watson at 5.9. Slightly higher grade than message board hero Mason Rudolph. I mostly agree with this, but the Mason Rudolph comp is Christian Ponder, I think mostly based on a noodle arm. Physically they are nothing alike.

I mean this guy is the JV, smaller, less talented version of Paxton Lynch, who has developed for a couple of years in the league, and is just a year older than Ferguson. So might as well try to work a trade for Lynch.

If this is directed to me, I simply posted this as an example of why I think the Jets owner may not like the idea of drafting the kid. So it is simply relevant to the conversation in the thread. And if it is directed at Rosen, he was simply answering a question the reporter asked.

Thank you. That is just ridiculous. Intriguing in that second tier based on that alone.

Hmmm maybe the Browns will bench Tyrod after throwing for 52 yards and Stanton will throw 5 interceptions in one half paving the way for Saviour Darnold?

Lol, that's why I said Johnsons, but yeah his BS political appointment doesn't really require much attention. It's basically a title. Apparently every rich doner gets a nice title the last couple of years. Woody is definitely still plugged into what the team is doing.

He's obviously a super selfish spoiled rich kid who doesn't care about anybody other than himself.

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/04/11/uclas-josh-rosen-wears-hat-special-message-donald-trump I know people don't want to talk politics, and I know it's long, but this is what Rosen said in an interview: "Well, I think it’s no secret that I’m not a large fan of Donald Trump — from a policy standpoint and from a human-being standpoint. I think it’s cowardly to run a campaign based on demagoguery and bigotry, and to incite fear so you can rally support for personal gain. He’s feeding off of racial tension and a lack of religious understanding, and a lack of sympathy and empathy for people who are different from him. I think it’s sad that he’s not even trying to understand important issues and propose legitimate policies to make the country a better place. It seems like he just wants to be president … so he can be president. There’s so much I don’t like. I don’t like his policy positions, and I really don’t like him making racially charged statements to people who don’t know better or understand what it’s like to come from poverty or different backgrounds. One of the reasons why I love the sport of football so much is because it’s exposed me to so many varying circumstances and all different types of people. And the same goes for college. That’s part of why after getting to college I’ve formed such strong political stances, and it’s cool going to a school like UCLA where we’re encouraged to dig into important issues and freely speak our minds. I mean, we both come from money. We’re both well-educated people — or are becoming well-educated — our parents are educated, and we are privileged. We can come to college and not really have to worry about finances. We can focus on school and football. Meanwhile, we have guys on the team who are sending every dime of money they have home to their families. College has really opened my eyes to those disparities. I just feel really strongly about this topic, because I believe there’s a level of ignorance in this country when it comes to empathizing with others, and that needs to change. And I’m literally willing to sit down and debate anyone in the country — anyone! — about Trump and the current state of our society. I welcome the opportunity to discuss this stuff further. I care about it. You probably shouldn’t have gotten me started, man. But, yeah, I think it’s safe to say that me and Donald Trump will not be getting matching Thunder Buddies T-shirts anytime soon."

I'm just sayin. Woody Johnson is on his staff. They are neighbors in a rich little private community in Jersey. The Johnsons seem to meddle way too much and our President sometimes makes a big deal out of things that aren't a big deal. Seems like it won't work, but that's just me.

Gotta be Peerless or Byrd I would think. I guess Peerless over Byrd because they gave up a draft pick I believe. Nate Clements contract was pretty bad at the time as well.

So the meddling Jets owners are just going to go ahead and let their people draft the guy who wore the "F Trump" hat? Seems unlikely. I hope we get a shot at Rosen.

I knew a guy name Richard Weiner. ? And as as a teacher you see some weird names. I had a student whose first name was Alpacino. Mom was a big scar face fan.

I do think Hughes is gone eventually because I really don't love his fit in the defense and he is overpaid for what he has produced. But he is a good player and may have a better year with Murphy as a bookend.

Even watching him at the combine throwing on air, many of his throws would have been picks in the NFL. This guy is a bigger Nate Peterman with tiny hands.

Good points. The way I see it is that this is a good team. They have a quarterback and a game breaking player like OBJ. They were awful last year because they had no depth and OBJ got hurt. Their line was terrible and their coach was an idiot. They lost a number of very close games, plus they started Geno Smith!!! in an actual NFL game. They could have easily been 8-8 or 9-7. They aren't that far off and aren't your typical top five picking team. If Gettelman wants to take the opportunity to really build a skilled and deep team who can compete this year, he trades down. If he feels like he needs to take the opportunity to get the next franchise quarterback he stays at two, but he is punting the rest of Eli's career. I could see arguments for both sides for sure.

Great points all the way around. It makes sense for him to stay put and take 1 of the blue chippers in Chubb or Barkley. I suppose the way I see it, he could get Davenport at 12, LVE at 22 to play inside with Ogeltree, and one those other backs Michel, Chubb or whomever in the second round, plus he would have one of our second rounders as well.

Agreed. You don't use the #2 pick on a quarterback when you already have one and you and he expect him to play for 2-3 more years. I know people will say Aaron Rodgers blah blah, but the dude fell in their lap late in the first round. This situation is totally different and kind of unprecedented. I can't remember a time in which a team had a true franchise quarterback and drafted his replacement in the top five of a draft. You would be effectively folding on the Manning era, and that makes no sense to me. If the Giants don't use the pick to trade down or to get help for Manning in the form of Barkley, Nelson, or even Chubb, they are making a poor decision imo. With their 3-4 switch and holes on their roster, they should trade down.

Boy I hope they don't feel forced to do anything. But you are probably right that they are going to get a quarterback here no matter what.

I agree, but my only issue is that they won't be able to afford both of those guys when their rookie deals are up. That said, if they win a Super Bowl over the next four years, none of it matters.

You forgot Mason Rudolph - GOAT