MrEpsYtown

As we get closer and he knows he can get his guy I think he will cave.

So basically says he wants a guy who is tall, has arm strength (because it can't be improved much), has some experience under center, goes through progressions, doesn't want a running quarterback because they take a beating (unless they are special athlete ala Jackson). If you take his words as his gospel, you eliminate: Mayfield-height, spread, Jackson-accuracy in pocket, Allen - accuracy, Rudolph - arm strength, spread. It's really just Darnold and Rosen. In the next tier the closest thing is probably Mike White. Falk, Laluetta have arm strength issues and things of that nature. White played under center, read full field progressions and has a big arm.

Agreed. Outside of Lock, who isn't.....a lock, it doesn't look good.

True. That is the concept of striking distance!

Darnold or Rosen

Jackson-Arizona is a nice match. McCoy is an Erhardt-Perkins guy and Jackson looks pretty damn good with a Cardinal on the side of his helmet. I think we pick at 2, 4, or 7. Somewhere along those lines depending on how the draft shapes up. I don't think the Colts will be willing to trade out, unless Chubb is gone. My gut tells me they are going to fall in love with AJ McCarron once they get to know him. I think they brought him in knowing very little about him and I think they are going to be pleasantly surprised. He has process written all over him. With that said, If they can't trade up, I think they wind up using one of those third round picks on a QB. I don't think Beane will reach and force the issues.

I appreciate that. Same here. I just don't like reaching for a guy like him. It really feels like the trade up for JP Losman. Instead of drafting Rudolph in the first, I'd take my chances he is there in the third, and if not I just draft in the next tier. This is the way I see it: Tier 1 Darnold, Rosen, Allen,.........Mayfield Tier 2 is Jackson ..........Rudolph Tier 3 everybody else. My point is that I think there is a pretty big drop off after the top three. Rudolph, in my estimation is way closer to tier three than he is to tier one. I just can't use the #22 pick on him. Do you realize how much positional talent is going to be on the board at that point? Drafting Rudolph there is an embarrassingly bad reach to me. I'm willing to sacrifice that pick in a trade up, not to pick a tier 2/3 quarterback.

He is a really good special teams player and a depth type guy. He will probably serve as a backup Will. Basically he replaces Ramon Humber. http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/03/what_to_know_about_new_buffalo_bills_lb_julian_stanford.html

He just had the worst season of his career under Terry Robiskie and I am not sure he loved the way he was used. He is great in the slot, but I really hope they keep Zay there. I don't think he is the answer.

To me, Rudolph could possibly become what McCarron is right now in three or four years. If that is teh case, hitch it to McCarron. It just doesn't make sense to hitch your wagon to a guy with very little upside who isn't better than what you already have.

The prospect better be better than McCarron or Peterman, otherwise what is the point?

They are definitely going to blow it! Even their fans know it. They would have messed up Peyton Manning if he came out his junior year.

Yep. Some team is going to ruin Josh Allen by starting him too soon. It's going to be depressing and it is probably going to be the Jets.

No way man. You do not overdraft a guy like Rudolph. That's what teh Jets did with Hackenberg, and where did that get them? That's a cardinal sin. Don't overdraft mediocre players. You roll with what you have. You stay true to your board no matter what is coming next year.

The argument is always going to be that Jackson is a premiere athlete. He has ridiculous athletic upside, which is not the case with Rudolph. They are completely different entities. So Rudolph may be the better passer, but you have to look at the whole package. It awesome when an athlete like Jackson improves his passing ability because it shows he might be able to play quarterback, When the 6-5 guy who runs a 4.9 does it, it really isn't a big deal. It's about upside and projection.

I could see Shea Patterson lighting it up at Michigan and Jarrett Stidham moving up boards as he is projectable. But yes, next year's class is not looking good right now.

Same here. I appreciate it. We can all agree to disagree for sure. I think it's possible there is a long wait. This draft reminds me of the Mariota-Winston draft. I can see 4-5 guys going pretty high, then a super long wait for the next tier. That year quarterbacks went 1-2 and the next guy went #75. I think Rudolph might be in for a long wait. I could see the Chargers, Pats, Steelers, people with older quarterbacks drafting the guy in the third. I just think with all of the free agents signed and 4 sure fire #1 picks, people aren't going to want to spend 2nd round picks on the next tier. There is too much positional talent in this draft.

It says: Rudolph is more of a downfield, play-action passer than a quarterback who can win with precision and arm strength. That means he can't win with precision and arm strength. So he is a downfield play action passer...he can't win with precision and arm strength. That means he's throwing bombs to outside , wide open receivers. That isn't winning football, at least it won't work in the NFL. I don't see the upside. Is the fifth or sixth best guy in this class? Sure. But he's a 3-4th round pick to me.

Not sure what you are saying here...he plays from the pocket, has improved, has good size. He CAN'T win with precision and arm strength and is a down the field passer. What about: Rudolph could be an early backup with the potential of becoming an average to below average starter in the league. Is this what we are striving for? average to below average starter? We just traded one of those to Cleveland. Look, I'm not an expert. I'm a teacher and a high school football coach, been doing it 12 years. I watch a ton of film and sit in clinics with college coaches all of the time. I am no one special, but I know some things. I do know that I don't know more than general managers, scouts, NFL people. It's fun to chat about these things, but how people can think that all of these experts are wrong just doesn't make sense to me. How can everyone be wrong on Josh Allen, who we all hate here, and everyone also be wrong on Mason Rudolph, who we all love? I mean, it's lunacy. Mason Rudolph=Tom Brady...don't you think someone in the NFL would have noticed this if it was true? I mean c'mon.

Ok fair. You see an upside I don't see. But what about all of the draft experts and scouts etc.? The people who get paid to do this for a living. Are you saying they are all wrong?

The point is that Rudolph is not as good as people are making him out to be. Peterman sucks and so does Rudolph. They both suck and are in no way a long term answer for this franchise. People need to stop with the Rudolph. Watch the film. Go find me a quarterback like this guy who has succeeded in the league. He is slow, tiny hands, weak arm, baby offense, terrible footwork. It's nuts. This guy is a 3-4 round pick. Listen man I'm with you. I will support the team no matter what. I just don't understand how all of these scouts and journalist and draft analysts can be wrong on Rudolph and people on a message board are right.

Yep after they passed on him for Matt Milano in the fifth. Definitely a sense of urgency there.

Let me put this here again: Go to NFL.com and draft ratings and compare their grade on Nate Peterman to their grade on Rudolph. They have Peterman with a slightly higher grade. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/nathan-peterman?id=2558191 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/mason-rudolph?id=2559942 The Rudolph love is asinine. He's a future backup with little upside. AJ McCarron grade slightly higher than both. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/aj-mccarron?id=2543497

Daniel Jeremiah's top 50 prospects: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000919918/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2018-nfl-draft-20 It's so weird, but I don't see Rudolph's name.

Lance Zierlein says Christian Ponder. I think I'll go with him. He says: BOTTOM LINE Pocket quarterback with good size who has shown consistent improvement as a passer. Rudolph is more of a downfield, play-action passer than a quarterback who can win with precision and arm strength. He's a capable field reader who has the ability to operate with timing which will be important since his arm can be dull at times. Rudolph could be an early backup with the potential of becoming an average to below average starter in the league.