MrEpsYtown

This team needs a quarterback and a Mike. We needed a defensive tackle, a corner, and a center as well and we got them. Yes there are other needs, but that's all depth. I don't give a crap if deonte Thompson goes to the cowboys or not. Quarterback of the offense and quarterback of the defense. Those things are not on this team yet and those two decisions will make or break this regime.

This is a re-build on the fly. They are tearing it down while also keeping the team competitive with modest contracts and young players. The plan actually makes a ton of sense until you wind up making the playoffs by accident. Which was awesome and I wouldn't trade it for a higher pick. I just hope that Pegula stays patient. I think getting him that young blue chip quarterback is a great way to buy more patience.

Another reason why the Giants should be willing to trade down. The Bills pick next year may be high.

Fair enough. I think the top five Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Jackson all go in the first. Then I think people gobble up all of the positional talent in this draft and there is a long wait for White, Rudolph, Falk etc. I think the 6th guy goes in the third. I think if this team reaches on Rudolph, this franchise will be set back another 4-5 years. I pray they do not succumb to the pressure and reach on a quarterback again. Itś EJ Manuel and JP Losman all over again. Also Darnold going #1 when he is the 7th best prospect in the draft and Rudolph going 12 when he is a third rounder, maybe 65th best prospect overall are completely different types of reaches.

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Yes this. I could also see them using the extra capital to get more picks next year.

Those guys were all major reaches except maybe Gabbert. He didn't make it but had top ten upside. Just like Manuel, et al, reaching on Rudolph is a terrible idea. These are not good examples for reaching on a non first round quarterback. You sacrifice too much talent for an inferior talent at quarterback. It would be a colossal mistake.

Randall is moving to safety and they need a corner. I will say that this signing maybe makes they more likely to trade down from 4 because they have less needs. They need a defensive tackle and their is no value at 4. There is at 12 though

I think Smith, but that Edmunds has some serious upside. Smith is the closest thing to Luke Kuechly though.

Russell didn't make it because he was a lazy a hole who got really fat. He was not willing to put in the work. The better comparison is a guy like Kyle Boller, who had ridiculous talent, played on a bad team in college, and was inaccurate. Allen is more talented than Boller, but Boller essentially failed because he stayed inaccurate and had a million injuries. Either way, Allen clearly has a ton of talent and people are banking on his potential at the top of the draft. If Iḿ going down eventually at least I am taking a swing on the guy who is 6-5, 240, with ridiculous upside. I still take Darnold or Rosen first, but Allen is next for me.

I am definitely willing to eat crow. I have before. I just hope all of the Rudolph lovers come back and admit they were wrong when his career goes the way of Bryce Petty and Landry Jones and see how ridiculously illogical they sounded here. If I am wrong, I will gladly admit my mistake. Somehow I feel the Rudolph lovers will not be willing to admit their mistake.

pffft...doesn't this guy read our message boards...Allen sucks Rudolph at 12 blah blah. These pro personnel people know nothing!!!

That seems like a lot for Cockrell...I guess this is their replacement for Breeland and the traded Worley?

Sorry to tell you that he also getting pushed down because of his weak arm, lack of athleticism, poor footwork, and no experience under center as well as tiny hands. If anything, he is being pushed up. Around this time every year some crap prospect gets talked about as a guy who could sneak into the first round/early second. Not sure if it is teams trying to push better prospects down the board by getting others to reach on a quarterback. Heard it with Connor Cook, Ryan Nassib, Tyler Bray, Bryce Petty, Cardale Jones...even with Nate Peterman last year. This year that guy is Rudolph.

They get pampered, and it has to be a really cool experience to see all of the facilities and things. They also lay some relationship groundwork for when they are free agents. Maybe Elway wants to borrow some cash from Rosen?

I don't think he is good Kirby. He is slow and small and I think he really is the product of the Saints offense. He is at best a 4/5 imo. He did spend some time with the Panthers on their practice squad, so McBeane would be familiar.

I could see the Steelers in the 2nd in a trade down scenario. They have 5 draft picks. They are not spending their first round pick on Mason Rudolph. I could see the Saints if he is there in the third. They don't have a second rounder. They have 27 then 91. They aren't using their first on Rudolph. Patriots aren't taking him in the first. They will take the BPA who slides down the board, or they will rip off whatever idiot team wants to trade back up into the first for Rudolph. I could see them using one of their 2 second rounders. However, Luke Falk seems like he is the kind of guy they would want to develop. Jaguars make a ton of sense. I could see it at 29, but itś a huge reach. Doug Marrone knew EJ Manuel was huge reach, and I don't think that happens again. This is not his or Coughlinś style. They do have a stacked roster though, so they have the luxury. I think they take him if he is there round 2.

The Bucs spent big in free agency and plugged a ton of holes. I think the Bucs are the target, unless they can get one of the elite safeties to fall in the draft.

My point is that what he was doing last year is not something you can project to the NFL. That offense produces huge numbers and would not work in the NFL. Ask Brandon Weeden and Zac Robinson. Plugging two guys who came from the system in an NFL offense solves nothing. Thinking Rudolph and Washington will somehow save the day is simply hyperbole.

I could see this happening. Everyone always pushes up the quarterback prospects. It happens every year in mocks. Last year this time Watson was going #1 or 2 and Trubisky was there too. Watson went 12. Geno Smith was supposed to go to teh Chiefs with the #1 pick and he went in the second round. There is a ton of talent in this draft outside of the quarterbacks.

All we need to do is install their kindergarten offense and we will be good! No but seriously, you can not expect those two guys to come in and be successful in an NFL offense right away. I don't like Rudolph at all, but the bottom line is that he is going to need at least a year or two wherever he goes.

I always liked Searcy. In hindsight, we probably should have kept him instead of Aaron Williams.

Thatś fine. Itś a stat. Pressure in college is very different from pressure in the NFL, when all 11 guys on defense are studs. Not some dudes from Tulsa.

Less than ideal height is just less than ideal. I like Mayfield, he just isn't my favorite. I want a guy that can take his 5-7 step drops, step up into a collapsing pocket and throw the ball all over the field. I think sometimes people don't take that into account. For example, Tyrod just never stepped up into the pocket and made throws when things were breaking down, as we on TV and in the stands see wide open guys all over the place. Itś because he couldn't see them. Plays are designed with teh idea that teh quarterback will be in the pocket, routes, angles, everything. When things break down, it is nice to have a guy who can scramble, but that just doesn't win Super Bowls. Now Mayfield is the better passer by a long shot, but his height is less than ideal. I think Mayfield will have early success, like RG3 and DeShaun Watson because coaches will likely adapt a lot of the RPO stuff that he was doing in college. That stuff just doesn't last long, and once he has to become a more traditional quarterback he will be done. Just like RG3 and just like what I forsee for DeShaun Watson. Based on everything Beane has said, he seems to want a guy that can stand tall in the pocket and throw strikes with pressure in his face. Does that mean you pass on Mayfield if he is there at 12, no...but I don think there is any way he is the target for a trade up. With Darnold likely going one, Iḿ guessing they want Rosen or Allen.

That's the thing. He's got a sloppy body and not near the speed and athleticism of Wilson. I like him, but the combination of small and slow gives me major pause. I also dont don't like the fiery stuff from my quarterback. The Rivers stuff always pissed me off as well as all of Brady's crap. I never liked that kind of stuff. I really wouldn't mind him if he fell in that 7-12 rang but not in a trade up that costs us that other first. I also dont don't think Beane will draft him, based on everything he has said about quarterbacks for the past year. Only guys who fit his mold to a tee are Darnold and Rosen.