MrEpsYtown

I'd say Frederick, Hudson and Alex Mack are in a league of their own. Next you have Jason Kelce, Brandon Linder, Pouncey brothers, Max Unger. Then I think Paradis, Morse, Ryan Kelly are kind of that next tier. I think Paradis is overrated and I strongly prefer Morse, but I'd love to have either. Both are huge upgrades. Our competition for Paradis imo includes the Jets, Cardinals, Vikings, Ravens. Paradis is connected to Gase, Kubiak, and Cards o line coach Sean Kulger. For Morse I think we are looking at competition from the Texans, Dolphins, etc. Morse is from Austin and is close with his disabled brother who lives there. Next tier of free agency at center, I had my eye on BJ Finney, but he got a second round tender from the Steelers as a RFA. Nick Easton is pretty good but coming off an injury. I think Pat Elflein could be available via trade as well. So I am really hoping for Paradis or Morse.

I don't really believe in PFF stuff, especially when it comes to linemen. I think they are comparable and Saffold wouldn't cost a draft pick.

Id say he's pretty smart. If he's been able to make a lucrative career out of doing absolutely nothing and spewing conjecture, hell man I feel like an idiot for working my ass off everyday.

Man just wait till next week and the legal tampering period.

I think I'd rather try to sign Saffold for that type of money.

I prefer the upside of Chris Conley honestly. I hope we pursue him.

Great point. Also the Panthers loved him pre-draft. There was a lot of talk that they were going to take him at the end of the first round that year, but the Texans beat them to it.

Agreed on that point. It honestly is his only red flag, but it is a big one. But the upside is huge imo and I think he's worth the risk. He'd be amazing for Allen in setting protections an things of that nature. He literally anchors the offense.

Haha yes. I'd be ecstatic with either for sure!

Morse is younger, bigger, faster, stronger, and a former college left tackle,. He has the all around better pedigree. I'd settle for Paradis, but I think Morse is the better player. In all fairness, I have watched Morse than Paradis, but I think Paradis is a zone only center.

We have the advantage of lots of cap space that they don't have. But this does sound like the usual conjecture from LaConfora. That said, fingers crossed it happens. I want Morse, Williams, Jesse James.

I like James too. I just want us to do whatever we have to do so we don't use our top ten pick on a right tackle. Whether that's Williams, James, Trent Brown whomever. A key move like that kind of unlocks the rest of the offseason. If we can corral a RT, a C, and a TE, everything changes.

If you really want to get crazy, Kenny Stills, who I really like, could be cut or traded. He played with Phillips at Oklahoma and in Miami. Stills would be a great fit for the Josh Allen skill set. But yeah im assuming Daryl Williams is the guy. Geneo Grissom, former Patriot, is also a guy who could be a depth end who is a former Sooner teammate. But I just love Phillips' passion and zeal.

I'm guessing and hoping he is recruiting Daryl Williams. They were teammates at Oklahoma.

I think I'd rather have Daryl Williams than Saffold. But I want Morse and another guy. I'll take Saffold, Spain, Cann, James, Williams, whomever.

They pick up discarded vets on the cheap and make good use of them. That's all I'm saying. They did it with Jason McCourty last year.

Point taken, but they do this every year and make it work somehow.

O'Shaughnessy is an interesting name no one has brought up. He was a KC draft pick who got traded to the Patriots. He got caught in the numbers game and cut, claimed by the Jaguars. The Bills also put in a claim on O'Shaugnessy, and that was before Daboll was here, so he could be a guy they pursue.

I believe Carolina liked him a lot pre draft. I wrote in the other thread, he was really bad for Leslie Frazier in Tampa which led to his trade. Though he was a safety. Hes a Greg Schiano guy, so I could see him being a nice chess piece for the Patriots.

Barron was awful in Leslie Frazier's defense in Tampa which prompted his eventual trade. Though he was a safety at the time. Greg Schiano loves him though. I bet he signs with the Patriots.

I meant maybe the Rams go after Groy again. That ship has sailed for us I think.

John Sullivan is the guy they pivoted to when we matched the Ryan Groy offer sheet. Groy got paid but I'd be pissed if I were him. Rams wa ted him to be their starting center, we matched and he sat on the bench for two years. Maybe they go after Groy again. Sullivan is old.

So I was just kind of snooping around in free agency to see if there are guys out there who the Panthers showed pre draft interest in. 2014 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, DB, Alabama (PRI) Chris Davis, DB, Auburn (PRO) Pierre Desir, DB, Lindenwood (PRO) Dakota Dozier, OL, Furman (PRO) Kony Ealy, DL, Missouri (PRI) Cameron Fleming, OL, Stanford (PRO) (VINT) Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana (PRI) Marcus Martin, OL, USC (PRI) Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss (PRI) (PRO) Billy Turner, OL, North Dakota State (PRI) Jason Verrett, DB, TCU (PRI) Jimmie Ward, DB, Northern Illinois (PRI) 2015 WR Ty Montgomery, Stanford WR DeVante Parker, Louisville (possible trade target) DE/OLB Za'Darius Smith, Kentucky* DT Carl Davis, Iowa RB Tevin Coleman, Indiana WR Jamison Crowder, Duke* CB Trae Waynes, Michigan State* (could be available for trade) WR Justin Hardy, East Carolina S Landon Collins, Alabama CB Quinten Rollins, Miami (Ohio)* OT Ereck Flowers, Miami CB Ronald Darby, Florida State* LB Denzel Perryman, Miami (FL)* WR Phillip Dorsett, Miami (FL)* DE Mario Edwards Jr, Florida State* WR Breshad Perriman, Central Florida (worked him out last year) WR Nelson Agholor, USC* (possible trade) OL Jeremiah Poutasi, Utah* (RFA) CB Josh Shaw, USC CB Eric Rowe WR Chris Conley Then there are some guys from 2016-2017 who I think could trade targets like Noah Spence, Solomon Thomas, Sterling Shepard, Forrest Lamp, Pat Elflein, Leonard Fournette. Interestingly, guys like Jordan Phillips, Breon Borders, Corey Coleman, Hunter Sharp, Malachi Dupre, Jalen Robinette, Nate Orchard, Owamagbe Odighizuwa, Ryan Russell all passed through here at some point and were Panthers pre-draft visitors. I’m sure I am missing a couple as well. Plus we drafted guys like Tre'Davious White, Zay Jones, Dion Dawkins, Tanner Vallejo who visited the Panthers in 2017. Of course you have a guy like Darryl Williams, who visited them, was very good, and is now a UFA. Anyway, it is interesting to take a look at who Beane and McDermott were interested in in past drafts.

I actually really like Lock. I don't like Murray becuase I hate small quarterbacks. I think he might be good, but also think he might get killed. Haskins is interesting but a 1 year guy on a loaded team. Grier reminds me of JP Losman without the elite arm strength, but I do think he has a chance to be good in the right situation. I also like Stidham more than most. But I'm really just glad we don't need one. It's a refreshing feeling.

I think the Phillips situation is kind of unique. He was pretty good for us, but I think he is still in a prove it type of situation. A 1 year deal gives him a chance to prove that his small sample was not a fluke and he likely knew he would not get a much better offer on the open market. I think the depth at defensive line in this year's draft is going to hurt defensive tackles on the free agent market.