MrEpsYtown

Gotcha dude and I'm not trying to call you out, just an observation. I do think coaches are to blame for pre snap penalties and things of that nature. They are clearly doing something wrong. And I think Castillo, Crossman, and Culley had proven that whatever they were doing was ineffective. It's a results orientated job and they were not getting the job done. There was a need for change there. Same for Miller and Mills. Like you said, whether the new guys will be better or not is up for debate and nobody knows, but you have to try something new when things aren't working. Like Albert Einstein said, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." It was time for a change in those areas.

I think you are asking the wrong question Coffin. I wonder why people have completely written of a 5th round rookie after seven NFL starts, under an offensive line coach for whom everyone was awful. People writing this guy off because he isn't Quentin Nelson are nuts. There is a reason one went top ten and one went in the fifth. He is a work in progress who has shown flashes and has more natural talent than any other guard on the roster. In fact, he is more talented than most of the guards in this upcoming draft and is similar in prospect pedigree to message board favorite Chris Lindstrom. The same people who criticize Teller swear that Nsehke is the answer to left tackle. A 34 year old guy with 16 NFL starts, some of which were at guard. Small sample size in both instances. Lunacy becuase neither mean anything. I've defended Teller a lot on here and I don't want to rehash all of it, but if anybody who watched him play closely, and has written him off, likely doesn't understand potential and development, and they likely don't understand the nuances of offensive line play. Just my opinion. PFF is not the be all and end all. In fact PFF loved him in college. Do I think he's Zach Martin? No. But I think he has the potential to be a solid starting guard in the NFL if he can find some consistency. The talent and ability are there.

Brother I'm a middle school teacher, I see it every day in alarming ways, from the kids, but also from the parents. The minutia is insane.

You know, it's hard to admit, but I really liked Gabbert coming out. Great arm, super smart. I think he needed to sit on the bench. He wound up playing for like 7 different offensive coordinators in his first 8 years which is nuts. Talk about setting a guy up for failure. But the true is he was too raw and was not developed properly. His trajectory was similar to JP Losman imo. I like Lock, but people are going to need to be patient. Same with Haskins.

I think this is a misconception though. He doesnt really have a pedigree at LG. It's just where some experts projected him, and he played some guard at the Senior Bowl. He played a little guard his true freshmen year and then started at left tackle for three years. He played like seven plays at guard here in 2017. He has the size, the length, 35 inch arms, quickness and agility with a really good three cone. I think he's a left tackle until he proves he can't do it, and he hasn't gotten there yet.

Agreed. I am assuming that Bobby Johnson had a big hand in bringing that line together in Indy. And elite guard and a bunch of sort of oft injured misfit pieces came together pretty nicely there. I think it's doable, I just hope they figure out who their top five are quickly.

See I like Lindstrom, but I don't think that his upside or ability is really higher than Wyatt Teller's. I think their prospect level is similar, I just think Lindstrom is a more refined player while Teller is a bit more raw. Their game is similar. I wouldn't mind drafting him in the second, but I don't think you have to becuase that guy is already on your team imo.

Hes a loser. It's petty. You would think that he had better things to do.

Ethan I respect your opinion, but man you defend Jon Miller, Jordan Mills, and Danny Crossman? You are certainly on your own island my friend. Crossman was terrible and if the guys on your squad are committing lots of penalties, it's becuase your scheme sucks or you aren't teaching proper technique. It's a coache's job to get the best out his players, and that is why Crossman and Castillo are gone. Crossman got hired by a tanking team to help the tank and Castillo has no job.

Morse heals all of that. He's the glue, the anchor, the master communicator. It didn't matter who came in at guard next to him in KC. It was a revolving door of guys, but he made it work. We are all in for a real treat to watch his guy go to work.

I'll stir it. Trade White to the 49ers as part of a trade up for Bosa. Oh no he didn't! ? McDermott can make a good corner out of anybody. ?

I think they keep 9 guys, but right now it's too early to say what the final version will look like. As I've said before here, I believe in Wyatt Teller and believe he will win the starting left guard job, unless of course we sign Quinton Spain. I do not believe Teller would get through waivers to the practice squad. We lost Ike Boettger for a few weeks, and lost Adam Redmond trying to sneak them through. Teller doesn't get through. I though he played well as a starter and his combine numbers are really good. He's super strong, good three cone, broad etc. His arms are longer than most guards (and longer than some of the talked about tackles in this year's draft). Teller can play and people are sleeping on him. He was one of the top defensive line recruits in the country for a reason, and though he has a ton of experience, conversion guys like he and Dion Dawkins are a bit more raw and take a little longer. As of right now, and obviously this is very likely to change: Dawkins Teller Morse Long Nsekhe Feliciano Waddle Bodine Sirles I give the last spot to Sirles becuase he can play all five positions on the line. Though if I were choosing, I'd keep Ike Boettger. Waddle can play guard and tackle. Feliciano can play guard and center. Bodine can play guard and center. I have Long at right guard because I believe that this is his best position and I think he is better than Feliciano, who does not have near the upside of Long or Teller. I think he is the perfect interior backup. I keep Bodine for now, and though he isn't great, I do think he carries some trade value with the lack of competent centers in the league. I think it is important that you have a natural backup center, so you aren't moving Andy Levitre there in the middle of the game.

I think it makes a ton of sense as a connection. I'm guessing #9, #40, 2020 second. Maybe some players like Zay Jones and Trent Murphy. I'd do it. If I could get to #2 to get Bosa or Williams without giving up my 2020 #1 I'd do it 100 percent.

Same. He's my favorite quarterback in this draft.

They will go best defensive player available. I hope we jump the Jets and steal Bosa so that the Jets will be "furious" about our trade up.

Obviously the Alexander and Roberts signingshelp in that regard, but there is definitely more work to do.

I wonder where all those Jets fans who were on here a few weeks ago went? I haven't seen them around much.

I think you can get the best of both worlds, where you can overload one side with extra tackles and put Fisher on the backside to block as a tackle. He's probably goodenough to seal the backside, you get a strong backside run lane, and you basically get tackle eligible on both sides, with the guy opposite Fisher declaring.

Thank you! Having an eligible number allows you to move that glorified tackle in Fisher around more. You can overload one side and have Fisher play a wing off the ball. Basically, you can play him off the ball and shift him and things of that nature. You can also run balanced formations with Fisher on one side and a tackle as the tight end on the other, which gives you strong running looks both ways, but also gives you the ability to have tackle eligible plays away from Fisher. You have an eligible tackle who does not have to declare as eligible. You can do do stuff like the Patriots did and hide Fisher as a tackle even though he is a tight end. The Patriots fooled the Ravens becuase they only had four linemen in the game with seven skill position players. Though the tight end, hidden as the left tackle was the eligible receiver and the slot player was not. So you can have looks like that, but with Fisher's tackle experience, you would still have a strong threat to run the ball as well.

He had some injuries and when he did play he was not great. Maybe he just isn't happy, but a smallish tackle could make for a really good blocking tight end.

It's not as much of a red flag for Taylor because Dillard has short arms. Also Taylor shows a ton of power in his game on film, where Dillard does not. His bench should be better. His arms are shorter than Jonah Williams, who everyone is calling T Rex. Also Dillard's three cone is not as good as Dion Dawkins, who happens to have much longer arms, and everyone wants to make a guard for some reason. Dillard is Jake Fisher. Look at their combine numbers. Again a finesse, spread tackle with short arms. All pretty much the same, except Fisher had an elite three cone time, and has longer arms.

So I think Fisher is interesting, but we can't bank on anything yet. McDermott seems to love DiMarco. That said I wouldn't hesitate to replace him with younger guys with upside. Michael Burton, formerly of the Bears and Lions has been one of the better fullbacks in the league over the past 3-4 years and he's currently a free agent. He would be a huge upgrade. Just turned 27 and is a former teammate of Tyler Kroft at Rutgers. Dan Vitale has been floating around the league. In fact we claimed him at one point and waived him becuase a failed physical or something. He was the Super back at Northwestern and is only 25. I think he has some untapped potential as a blocker and receiver. He would also become the fastest player in the running back room. He kind of reminds me of Zach Line, who got the ball a lot in college and took a while to develop into a great fullback. Vitale is going through that transition right now, but there is upside here.

No brainer!

I really like Long. He played a ton of right guard at Nebraska and played a bit of right guard for the Skins. They made him a center out of necessity and he wound up getting that big contract from the Jets. I think he's a guard and I would like to see what he could do if they just left him at right guard, which seems like his natural position. I am also one of the few that actually like Wyatt Teller. I think that if we sign Spain, Teller basically enters a three way competition at right guard with Long and Feliciano. I think Teller has upside and I think he would go in the second or third round in this draft. Most of his college experience was at left guard I believe. Guys like he and Dawkins are converted defensive linemen and so there is some rawness to their game. But there is also an element of nastiness there. Spain, Long, Feliciano, Teller all have some nastiness to their game. Ike Boettger has some of that as well.

Okay yeah it looks like he earned a tryout at rookie minicamp here in 2017. Then the DOD changed the rules or something.