MrEpsYtown

I don't want to create an argument here, but this is simply not true. Most mock drafts had Shaq in that 5-15 range, which is where people are projecting Jonah right now. From what I remember the Browns were popular mock spot. I think my comparison, or analogy is the right one. I think Williams is few notches below Zach Martin as a guard (who went 15 or 16 iI believe) and I think he is basically Riley Reiff if he plays tackle. I think he can be a very good guard. I think that there may be some potential big time defensive players there at 9 and taking Williams at nine is a reach imo. The talent you are passing on to plug a possible 10 year guard in is just bad drafting. I think he goes in the 15-25 range.

The team who drafts Dillard is going to very much regret it in a couple of years, especially if they take him in the first. Top ten is a massive reach.

Gunner do you think an offensive player like Metcalf or Hockenson creeps up there before 9?

This is revisionist history. Pre draft Shaq Lawson was compared to Tamba Hali and Brian Orakpo, a powerful, dominating edge player.

Here's some info on Dion Dawkins. He started at left tackle for Temple for three years. His true freshmen year he started a couple of game at left and right tackle. His sophomore-senior year he started at left tackle exclusively. At the senior bowl he played really great at both guard spots and and also played really well at left tackle. Pre Draft, people felt he was best at guard. Not sure why though...all his measurables, 3 cone, and super longs arms point to tackle. Anyway, his rookie year, he got thrown into the guard spot for like 6 plays and was good. He played left tackle the rest of the way. In his rookie training camp, he took mostly right tackle reps and did not look great. He took left tackle reps too, and did not look great. The bottom line is that he looked pretty terrible in rookie camp and struggled all around in terms of trying to implement the techniques that Juan Castillo was teaching. It was not until he was thrust into a game at left tackle that he showed what he could do. So he played really well at left tackle his rookie year, good enough for this regime to trade Cordy Glenn. He played really well at guard at the senior bowl, both right and left guard. He also played left tackle there. He looked terrible in training camp his rookie year, wherever he was put. He has played a little bit on the right side. Most of his experience is at left tackle. He might be better at guard than he is a left tackle, but he has not proven that he can't play left tackle. There is more evidence that he can, than there is evidence that he can't. Juan Castillo's techniques forced him to re-learn everything he learned for four years at Temple, so a new line coach likely does a lot for him. His arm length and other measures say he should be a left tackle. (His arms are longer than Williams, Dillard, guys like that ) The idea that he can't play the right side of the line is simply not true He himself is going to say that he wants to be a left tackle. Like I said above, he should not want to move off the $$$$ position and he deserves an opportunity to prove himself before he is moved.

Nobody knows. And people who claim they do are full of it. He has started just 16 NFL games and is 33 years old. He has played both positions and guard. He, Nsekhe, said in an interview somewhere that he prefers to play the left side, which is what every single tackle in the world would say because that is the money position and where the better player plays. If he said he prefers the right side, he sounds like a loser.

I understand this and people have said this about a hundred times on here. Jonah Williams is nowhere near the prospect that Nelson was. Not even close. Ill do an SAT analogy here. Jonah Williams is to Quentin Nelson as Shaq Lawson is to Khalil Mack. That's what we are talking about here. Williams in the top ten is a huge reach. Nelson was a plug and play dominator at the position. Williams has a better chance of being Luke Joeckel than he does of being Nelson.

Really disappointed in his work this past year, and I think he might struggle to make the team this year. But he's gotta know he's fighting for his football life, so he needs to step up or his career is likely over.

I really don't like him at 9, however, if Daboll thinks he is the guy, having coached him and seen him first hand, I can't argue with it. If you take him, I think you make the Zach Martin move and plug him at right guard. He's likely an all pro quickly there. I think Williams is the level of guard prospect, but I just don't like it at 9.

He really doesn't though. He got kicked out of Penn State, has that sexual assault, had a bad combine, and basically had one good year in college. And he's 27 years old now.

A video of Nick Bosa doing lines of coke off some sorority girls ass comes out a few hours before the draft. He drops to nine for us.

My only problem with Wishnowsky is he is already 27 years old. It's not a big deal, but it means something. I actually like Jack Fox a lot. He was really impressive in ten East-West game and he was probably the best player on his team. But you make a good point, with 10 draft picks it would make some sense to draft one this year.

Treadwells problem is that he is really slow. Totally different guys. But Metcalf is risky. He could be Troy Williamson or he could be Megatron lite.

I agree. I think that will be and should be his approach in the top ten. You just have to balance it all together with who you are passing on as well.

Ya Sin is a pretty raw player whose probably more of a man to man guy but his technique is raw. Has a lot of upside though. Murphy is the much more refined player, but a prototype zone corner who can play man. A guy like a Murphy would be perfect for McDermott's or Seattle's system. Think a jacked up version of Taron Johnson. They are pretty much the same size on paper, but Murphy is bigger becuase it's just distributed differently. Both are not particularly fast. Murphy loves to hit and simply makes a ton of plays. He was a big time receiver in high school as well, so he has good ball skills. I really like Murphy if he slips into the 30s for a trade up. Doubt he get some that far. I'm kind of eh on Ya Sin, but both guys can play. I don't know man, you ar replacing one short armed, light in the pants left tackle with another short armed, light in the pants left tackle. But Reiff can certainly benefit from a move inside. Perhaps they would both be fine in the Kubiak finesse zone blocking scheme.

Unless Rodgers treats the rookie like crap.

This is actually hilarious. Good work.

I agree, but he's too boom-bust for me. I wouldn't take him, but I won't be mad if we do.

I don't think it makes a ton of sense for Arizona to do this. Rosen's trade value is the highest it will ever be, unless he lights the world on fire next year, and if that happened the Cards would not trade him. Right now there is a somewhat weak quarterback class and he still has some prospect shine, but he's likely to fetch just a second or third. Nowhere to go but down from here.

All makes sense here. And I think Hock is a very different prospect than Ebron, who I did not want. I like Hock and I do think this regime may be hiding their interest in him, based on no actual proof. But they also really like their athletic freaky types, which Hock really isn't. I still think they go defense, but it's possible this is their guy.

I haven't seen anything either and he just doesn't seem like the type of guy they would target. I've been wrong before, but I just don't see it.

Two interesting mentions in there in Troy Williamson and Kevin White. Honestly, that's what scares me. The top ten is for high upside players and that is what Metcalf is. But he has a high bust probability that really scares me. I'd have to weigh that with what else is on the board at the time. I wouldn't hate the pick, I'd be excited but kind of scared at the same time.

I was between Sweat and Hockenson. I decided to take the guy to help the QB, but I do think they really like Sweat. Wilkins makes some sense as well.

Dillard's arms are shorter than Williams'. And if Williams doesn't have a mean streak, Dillard is pillow fighting. There is no mean streak there whatsoever. He's athletic, tall and lean with very little run game ability. He's the exact opposite of a mauler and teh exact opposite of any of the linemen this regime has been bringing in. Probably a fit for a team like the Rams or maybe the Browns. And as athletic as Dillard is, Dion Dawkins actually has a better three cone and significantly longer arms. I just don't see a fit there at all, and though I don't love Jonah Williams, I think it's crazy that the stigma is that his arms are short, while Dillards are slightly shorter and no one cares.To me, Dillard seems like a terrible fit here.