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I do not think he has. There is no valid argument against his point. Just cherry picking stats and saying Moulds had a bad first two years, which has nothing to do with Zay. People talk about his statistcal improvement, the majority of which came when games didn't matter. The best argument is that he was a second round pick and will have a longer lease. But anybody looking at it without bias can see that he is not good.

For the most part the same three or four arguments get regurgitated a number of times becuase people jump into the thread and share their opinion without reading what's already been written. Cliffs notes: Zay may not make the roster He is a jag with no special skills He cant catch but he only had three drops he has nice abs eric Moulds though zay stats improved but they were in garbage time zay sucks but Stevie Johnson though

Knox tested much faster than Croom, and he somes some upside as a blocker. Croom ran a 4.69, but Knox is significantly faster and he can actually block. I see no way for Croom to make the roster. I do think Fisher is a long shot as well, but it is an interesting experiment. Knox should push Croom off the roster.

Thanks for posting. I was a young teen during those years. I knew I wanted to see more of Moulds, and I was excited when he got drafted, but as a kid I really did not know what was really going on. Your statement here should end all Zay comparisons to Moulds.

Amazingly, a good chunk of the plays he made his senior year at ECU were in blowout games either way. Most of the close games he disappeared, (an outlier is his 22 catch game in a 20-15 loss to South Carolina). But it appears his entire career was made on padding stats in a gimmicky offense at meaningless times. It is apparent when you watch his highlight films and take a peek at the score. Not saying he is done, but his production is a bit of a mirage.

This is a great point. Zay looks nothing like his college self. That version of the dude was making acrobatic, one handed, contested catching and making people look silly. He had a swagger about his game. You could tell he wanted the ball. This version just seems like a shell of that guy. I hope he gets it back becuase it is in there somewhere.

Andy chance Gary Barnidge was there? Any chance Baker can get him to sign? ?

I think it depends on how you view Foster. Many see Zay and Brown as the starters outside with Beasley in the slot and Foster as a situational player. I see Foster as a starter with Zay's role up in the air. As the year progressed we saw Foster running the full route tree and making plays other than deep flys. He's a potential game breaker and that cannot be ignored. I also feel feel like this team truly believes in roles. Beasley is the slot and they will need a backup there. Now is that Zay? Or McKenzie, or perhaps Easley? Zay gives you some flexibility being able to play inside and outside, but Easley is the closest thing to Beasley. We saw a little bit of this with Kerley and Ray Ray last season. And it is why Ray Ray made the team over Brandon Reilly, becuase he's a slot and Brandon was not. They each will have defined roles. Both Duke and Sills played a lot on the outside, but also played a good bit of big slot in college. My point is that there will be a backup slot player in the roster. Maybe that's Roberts? On another note, I see this team running a lot of two tight end sets with Kroft and Knox. If that is the case, the number of receivers you keep may be affected. Knox is a guy who can move all over the place and gives you a ton of flexibility in terms of what you can do with offensive formations.

Yep this is probably true as well.

He certainly gets himself a bit open, which is an abilty no one really questioned too much. You know what else I see here? A few double clutches, catching the ball with his body, zero contested catches, and absolutely zero RAC ability. And all of his highlights came in like three games. To me this highlight really confirms what a lot of people think about Zay, that he is very ordinary. Now watch David Sills do everything Zay does, and more. Granted its college versus pros which is the biggest difference and obviously a huge factor. But Sills gets open, intermediate and deep, wins jump balls, makes contested catches and shows off RAC ability. Now watch Duke Williams do a whole bunch of stuff that Zay doesn't do. Again this is the CFL, not the NFL. And I get that, but he offers abilities that Zay has not shown. Just to be fair, I'm not a Zay hater. But I want to know, where the hell did this guy go: I get that it's the NFL now, but Zay looks nothing like the guy we thought we were getting. That ability is in there somewhere. He's done it. I want to see him let it out a little bit and be confident catching the ball and prove me wrong. (BTW, ironically, a lot of his college highlights are in garbage time of games too. Go figure. I still think there is some immense talent he showed in college that he hasn't shown at all in the pros)

Is that you Tuhrod?

It was just right there in the open. I had to do it

So thank you Andy Dalton?

According to many on here, apparently having a chip on your shoulder is not a real thing. But it I agree with you. Duke brings a little something different to that receiver room that needs an edge and some swagger, ala Robert Woods. Both Duke and Sills bring that energy.

I still think Shane Ray should be the guy. He was SEC defensive player of the year. He's been effective for the Broncos as an OLB in limited playing time. He's only 25. I know he might has off field things and some injury issues, but he plays like his hair is on fire. To me he's a younger Jerry Hughes, who was miscast in a 3-4 and found his home as a 4-3 end here after some lackluster time in Indy. Mitch Morse, EJ Gaines, and Marcus Murphy are all former teammates at Missouri, and could in theory vouch for him. I think there is tremendous upside here.

if you watch the video you see Kevin Johnson in 36

Sills and Duke also give you that go up and get the ball element that you don't get from anyone else on the roster.m

Winovich is a nice player, but he just does not fit the mold of what they look for as an end. He has very little length. I think he will be good for the Pats because they will move him around and have him do different things. That isn't McDermott's style. I feel like he is the type of player that would be quite low on their draft board, if he is even on it at all.

Just to add, because I don't think the situation for Moulds and Jones are the same. While Moulds is a guy who made it, I feel like there are way more guys who struggled like Zay and washed out. The Troy Williamsons, Charles Rogers, Laquon Treadwells of the world. That is how I view Zay. In the case of a guy like Treadwell, he's only been targeted 91 times in his career. He is going to wash out without ever really getting an opportunity and playing behind better players. The caveat is that we don't know how these guys are performing on the practice field. Zay is playing by default and being targeted by default. I don't feel as if Zay has earned the reps, but that is just my own assumption and bias. I don't remember a lot of the details of why Moulds was bad the first couple of years, I was a 14 year old kid running around, but I don't think Zay is struggling to pick up the NFL game. But I also think, that if the Bills had better players the Zay's first two years, he would not have seen the field. He was given a ton of opportunities and he blew most of them. Maybe he was not ready to be on the field. I actually think he is a smart player, who understands zones and things of that nature. I don't think he is struggling to pick up the game or the offense. He is struggling to make plays, and that is why I question his talent. He is struggling with things like catching the ball, running fast, blocking, making plays on contested catches. He showed some skill in that regard in college, so I have a tiny glimmer of hope that he finds his game. I don't think Jones has been inconsistent his first two years, I think he has been downright awful. I don't know if it's an effort thing, a focus thing, a talent thing, or a little bit of all of that. And if it weren't for what he showed in college, I would have already cut him. My whole thing is , that there are now people on the roster who are hungry and can do things that he can't do. So I very much think that he is on notice. I think there is a pretty much zero percent chance we see a Moulds like break out because I just don't think Zay Jones is talented enough. He's had the opportunity to show his talent and he has shown very little. I thinks he's a basically David Nelson without the size and with a better prospect pedigree. I am not waiting to see Zay's game click, I am waiting to see his talent, and to me it appears that there isn't much there. There is a place on a roster for a guy like that, but the minute you get some better players, he is out. That's where I am at.

Good stuff.

Awesome video. And If you are Oliver or Ford it must be pretty cool to see how excited they were to get you. They tell you they were excited and obviously they take you, but seeing it must be special on another level. Even for Knox he sees how they specifically targeted him to get their guy.

Yep agreed. I don't know how they missed the most likely combination imo.

Id have to go back and watch the games to really know, but I remember Moulds flashing big play abilty and I do remember people being dissapointed that he was not consistent. You make a lot good points, and I understand the idea that people can develop. But Zay has shown no signs that he might be more than he is, which is a mediocre receiver. Is he an NFL receiver? Yes he deserves to be in the league. But he is just meh and will probably not make it to a significant second contract. He's like Jordan Mathews without the size or good hands.

Zero is one word. Did you read the rest? Look at targets? Consider that Early and Reed were very old when Moulds broke out? Moulds did not have enough targets his first two years to make a significant impact. Zay was targeted 176 times in two years and has less than a thousand yards receiving. It isn't about just playing time. It's about targets, That's what I mean when I talk about opportunity. Zay will never be able to come close to Eric Moulds. He doesn't have it.

I think that is kind of where I am. To me Duke and Sills project to be able to do everything Zay does, plus high point the ball, be red zone threats and make plays on contested catches. Now obviously they have yet to prove anything. Even Nick Easley could give you elite quickness from the slot position. They all bring something different from the table. You could call Zay an all around guy, but everything about him is mediocre. Brown and Foster give you elite speed, and Beasley is a really good slot guy.