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I think this guy is an interesting player, but like others have said, I think being a slash type player can sometimes hurt a guy. He certainty has the size and the speed to be a receiver, so why are they thinking running back when he is so unrefined there? He is one of the more interesting offensive players in the draft. I will say this, to me he looks like a faster version of TJ Yeldon, without the running back experience. To me, this guy is already on our team. I’m not sure that this is the type of guy this regime will target. I think they like guys like Singletary who had to carry the load for his team and have experience carrying the football.

Greenard seems like the most absolute perfect fit for what McDermott has traditionally looked for in edge players. I’m with you. Obviously Gross-Matos as well, but he’s out of reach. Those two guys really stand out to me as his type.

I think he goes Sasha Foxx

I agree with this and mentioned it somewhere else. He is such a specific scheme fit that I don’t know how he gets that amount. Take into account that the free agent off ball linebacker list next year includes Lavonte David, KJ Wright, Demario Davis, Donta Hightower, Avery Williamson, Denzel Perryman, Zach Cunningham.... I love Milano, but who has the fit, the cap space, and prefers him to those other guys? I don’t see 12 million per.

He’d be better off here than in Carolina. I think it is hard to transition from a player to a coach in the same place. You now become sort of in charge of your peers. Although there are a good number of his former peers here. But because of his intelligence and understanding of the game, it would seem like he’d be the kind of guy that would excel as a future coach. If I were first starting out as a coach and wanted to learn from guys it doesn’t get much better than Sean McDermott, Leslie Frazier, Bob Babich.

I’m guessing on the short list for Bills might be something like: Winfield Kmet Dugger Greenard Hall Simpson

Any Zay Jones lovers still around? Can we all come to a consensus that he blows? And wish him luck on his future endeavors? And at least Diggs did not cost two firsts!

And just to add, teams get stuck with bad kickers when they draft them or pay them. Because they invested a pick or money in them, they feel the need to stick with them, sometimes way too long. Kickers are so volatile, like bullpen arms in baseball, so it just doesn’t make sense to invest too much in one.

For sure. I think the majority of the quarterbacks who are good, special etc. (aside from 199 and a few outliers) are quarterbacks drafted in the first round. That’s the biggest thing, you want to get a quarterback? Odds are you need to find him in the first round. That is not the case with kickers, you can find them anywhere and the majority are UDFAs. You just have to find the right one. So I guess my point is that if you look at the draft as a science, history says draft a quarterback early, do not draft a kicker anywhere.

There is actually a lot of debate out there questioning whether he was worth a first round pick. People for him point out how good he was from long range, and as you said a true weapon. Other people feel that even though he made big kicks and was a weapon, he wasn’t really the best kicker in the league at any point and won’t be in the Hall of Fame. In all honesty he doesn’t even crack the top 10 list of kickers the last 20 years. So was he good? Yes. His leg was a missle and he could do some things nobody else could. But was he really worth a first round pick? I don’t think so. (Especially when you consider who was picked 199 in that particular draft.) But yeah I thinks it’s up for debate. He was good, but wasn’t as good as his peers who are mostly UDFAs and late rounders, so the value just isn’t there.

I really think Tua is going to go to the Chargers for a variety of reasons. Tua is a good fit for Chan Gailey’s offense, but I agree that I’m not sure Miami loves him. Good work @GunnerBill. Have you worked through a second round? And if so what is available when the Bills pick comes up?

It’s just that they are such specialized skills that if you have one guy doing both jobs, he probably won’t be able to truly do a great job at both. There is also increased chance of injury and dead leg. The limited time in practice also hurts. Having an effective punter and kicker is way more important than having and extra 4th string linebacker.

I recall them putting in a claim for their own UDFA Chase McClaughlin when he was waived by the 49ers and awarded to the Colts. Looks like he is the Colts’ guy going forward. This could definitely be a place they could look for an upgrade and I would not be totally against using a pick, just not before the 5th round. I do hope they draft Mann or Turk as a new punter.

Davis-Gaither, Hall, and Orr are all potential Milano replacements if he doesn’t re-sign. All undersized guys with speed and coverage skills to play WILL. And as others have said, corner and safety look to be a focus.

100%. I totally agree. And I think that is why you can’t draft one high. Kickers are a strange science and way too risky. Just sign an UDFA every year, and one will stick.

I agreed with the goalie idea. But I don’t think Tampa had the right idea. I think they made him a head case by drafting him so early while you can typically get one as an UDFA. Here’s my thing, I know the draft is a crapshoot, but look at the names drafted immediately after Agyuao....James Bradberry, Vonn Bell, Yannick Ngakoue, Austin Hooper, and later in that draft Matt Judon and Tyreek Hill (in fact when Tamp traded up, they gave extra picks to Kansas City, which likely gave them the confidence to take a shot on a controversial Hill later that draft.) Anyway, it’s revisionist history, but in this very draft Ka’imi Fairbarn and Wil Lutz were UDFA. The value just isn’t there when drafting a kicker, especially when you consider what you might be passing on.

Kaare Vedvik. I believe he is focusing on punting as he has been awful as a place kicker. The Ravens had him and he was an interesting prospect who kicked really well in preseason. The Ravens traded him to the Vikings for a 5th round pick, and he was so bad they cut him a couple of weeks later. The Jets signed him and he pretty much singlehandedly lost the Bills-Jets game week 1. And they cut him. He’s a guy who seems like he can’t handle the pressure in games. This is interesying when talking about the value of kickers:

Good thing this isn’t Buddy Nix anymore. You know some team with an antiquated front office will be inundated with penises during their zoom draft.

What I would do to get in on our Bills zoom meeting???

This was awesome @Virgil. Thanks for running things

The draft value just isn’t there early becuase that is how the entire league views it. I think Tampa’s trading up and drafting Roberto Aguayo will forever ruin the chance at highly picked kickers. They drafted him 59 and gave up 74 and 106 to get to him. And some people are upset about we gave up for Diggs. https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/244486/why-the-roberto-aguayo-episode-was-entirely-unnecessary Pretty good article that dives into the idea that there is an extreme randomness to the kickers that make it, even more of a crapshoot than other positions, so basically don’t draft one. I think they are undervalued, but I’d have to disagree on the second most important position. Its QB, protect the Qb, get to the QB. So QB, LT, edge. Kickers score a ton of points and fantasy etc, but I’m not sure how much they actually contribute to winning a football game. Meaning if you look at AV, which is like baseball’s war stat, it shows that kickers are not that valuable, and that the difference between a hall of fame kicker and an ok one is not much. I’m not married to AV and pff and stuff, actually I don’t really like pff. I just wanted to point out what a lot of the research out there is saying on the topic. The biggest thing is that you have to find the right one, and that isn’t typically through the draft.

I suppose you always worry about what you pass on when you take a kicker. Hindsight 2020, but when we took Dustin Hopkins we passed on guys like Adam Thielen, Jack Doyle, Jordan Poyer etc. Also Jason Myers and Brandon McManus were UDFA that year, so there is some risk in using a draft pick to take a kicker.

Kickers are a weird science. Most of the best ones aren’t even drafted. I don’t know if it puts undue pressure on a guy, but it’s a strange science. Now punters on the other hand are a bit different. Teams who have drafted punters the last few years have gotten their money’s worth...I’d be down with the Mann idea. Obviously you can find punters as UDFA as well. I’m guessing Mann goes in the 5th? I’d be good with Michael Turk as well. He’s only a redshirt sophomore so I think there is a lot of improvement to be had and I think bloodlines are important in situations like this. Turk’s bigger, stronger body is probably ideal for kicking outdoors in Buffalo. Just to add, Braden Mann and Michael Turk both ran a faster 40 than Preston Brown.